[heroes] forums migration - vbulletin
I need an opinion - I've hit a slight hurdle. The vBulletin code we are running in Provo is version 4.2.2, so quite old. It is so old it does not work with php 7.2, only older. (I haven't actually tried, that is what google tells me). I think we have three, maybe four options - a) upgrade vBulletin to the latest, cost USD249. May or may not make the migration easier, but at least we'd have an up-to-date platform. b) run the current 4.2.2 version, but on php7.0 or 7.1 - I don't know if we have packages available for Leap15.1. Might not be difficult to build. c) run the current 4.2.2 version, on Leap 42.3 with php7.0 - which I guess does not go well with our SLA. d) switch to something else, e.g. discourse. Apart from migrating the current contents, this is easy. I don't know what the forum admins would say to losing the contents. What's your vote? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
HI Per, Definitely not the option C] also b] cut be very problematic. The most easy way is a]. But we need to get approval from board I I think. d] is nice idea if somebody is willing to work on it and even that will take time. Martin On 28. 01. 20 8:30, Per Jessen wrote:
I need an opinion - I've hit a slight hurdle. The vBulletin code we are running in Provo is version 4.2.2, so quite old. It is so old it does not work with php 7.2, only older. (I haven't actually tried, that is what google tells me).
I think we have three, maybe four options -
a) upgrade vBulletin to the latest, cost USD249. May or may not make the migration easier, but at least we'd have an up-to-date platform.
b) run the current 4.2.2 version, but on php7.0 or 7.1 - I don't know if we have packages available for Leap15.1. Might not be difficult to build.
c) run the current 4.2.2 version, on Leap 42.3 with php7.0 - which I guess does not go well with our SLA.
d) switch to something else, e.g. discourse. Apart from migrating the current contents, this is easy. I don't know what the forum admins would say to losing the contents.
What's your vote?
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Hi Per, Am 28.01.20 um 08:30 schrieb Per Jessen:
a) upgrade vBulletin to the latest, cost USD249. May or may not make the migration easier, but at least we'd have an up-to-date platform.
If we want to stick with vBulletin that's the only way to go. Personally not the biggest fan of vBulletin, but also I'm not a user/admin of any bulletin board software. I'm pretty sure that we can get this amount of money (maybe from SUSE?). Also we need to make sure that a.) someone will actively "maintain" this software, i.e. apply updates b.) have access to updates (i.e. subscription or whatever will be needed).
d) switch to something else, e.g. discourse. Apart from migrating the current contents, this is easy. I don't know what the forum admins would say to losing the contents.
Also an option, but probably more work. I know that darix is a big fan of discourse, so maybe he can help out with that. With migration it might be way more triyk than a.). Best regards, Karol Babioch
Op dinsdag 28 januari 2020 08:30:38 CET schreef Per Jessen:
I need an opinion - I've hit a slight hurdle. The vBulletin code we are running in Provo is version 4.2.2, so quite old. It is so old it does not work with php 7.2, only older. (I haven't actually tried, that is what google tells me).
I think we have three, maybe four options -
a) upgrade vBulletin to the latest, cost USD249. May or may not make the migration easier, but at least we'd have an up-to-date platform.
b) run the current 4.2.2 version, but on php7.0 or 7.1 - I don't know if we have packages available for Leap15.1. Might not be difficult to build.
c) run the current 4.2.2 version, on Leap 42.3 with php7.0 - which I guess does not go well with our SLA.
d) switch to something else, e.g. discourse. Apart from migrating the current contents, this is easy. I don't know what the forum admins would say to losing the contents.
What's your vote? I'll ask the other mods/admins from the forums to join this discussion. Question: Do you by now have a database dump from Provo ?
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Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op dinsdag 28 januari 2020 08:30:38 CET schreef Per Jessen: [anip]
I'll ask the other mods/admins from the forums to join this discussion. Question: Do you by now have a database dump from Provo ?
No, I still don't have a database dump - but Gerald and Marta are "on the case". -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
openSUSE China forum has migrated from phpbb to Discourse. Discourse itself is great with a lot of features and better experience. But installing it without docker is a challenge. Another option of PHP is Flarum. It is designed even better than Discourse. But it is still in beta version. -- Guo Yunhe / @guoyunhe / guoyunhe.me 2020年1月28日 09:30 来自 per@opensuse.org:
I need an opinion - I've hit a slight hurdle. The vBulletin code we are running in Provo is version 4.2.2, so quite old. It is so old it does not work with php 7.2, only older. (I haven't actually tried, that is what google tells me).
I think we have three, maybe four options -
a) upgrade vBulletin to the latest, cost USD249. May or may not make the migration easier, but at least we'd have an up-to-date platform.
b) run the current 4.2.2 version, but on php7.0 or 7.1 - I don't know if we have packages available for Leap15.1. Might not be difficult to build.
c) run the current 4.2.2 version, on Leap 42.3 with php7.0 - which I guess does not go well with our SLA.
d) switch to something else, e.g. discourse. Apart from migrating the current contents, this is easy. I don't know what the forum admins would say to losing the contents.
What's your vote?
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 12:06:57 +0100 (CET) Guo Yunhe <i@guoyunhe.me> wrote:
openSUSE China forum has migrated from phpbb to Discourse. Discourse itself is great with a lot of features and better experience. But installing it without docker is a challenge.
Another option of PHP is Flarum. It is designed even better than Discourse. But it is still in beta version.
we have opensuse packages for discourse. run in production on openSUSE https://discuss.pixls.us/ -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 08:30:38 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
I need an opinion - I've hit a slight hurdle. The vBulletin code we are running in Provo is version 4.2.2, so quite old. It is so old it does not work with php 7.2, only older. (I haven't actually tried, that is what google tells me).
I think we have three, maybe four options -
a) upgrade vBulletin to the latest, cost USD249. May or may not make the migration easier, but at least we'd have an up-to-date platform.
b) run the current 4.2.2 version, but on php7.0 or 7.1 - I don't know if we have packages available for Leap15.1. Might not be difficult to build.
c) run the current 4.2.2 version, on Leap 42.3 with php7.0 - which I guess does not go well with our SLA.
d) switch to something else, e.g. discourse. Apart from migrating the current contents, this is easy. I don't know what the forum admins would say to losing the contents.
What's your vote?
Hi From my perspective, the software to use is something you folks are happy to maintain etc, but if we are voting (and secure funding) then it would be (a) just for continuity's sake :) What about the user logins (~40K), will the users need to login to the openSUSE SSO solution? Will this SSO integrate with vB? If the solution decided by you folks is not vB, I'm also assuming the current data can be available as a read only vB archive in it's final state.... -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) Tumbleweed 20200125 | GNOME Shell 3.34.3 | 5.4.13-1-default Intel DQ77MK MB | Xeon E3-1245 V2 X8 @ 3.40 GHz | Intel/Nvidia up 1 day 13:05, 2 users, load average: 0.28, 0.27, 0.55 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Malcolm wrote:
Hi From my perspective, the software to use is something you folks are happy to maintain etc, but if we are voting (and secure funding) then it would be (a) just for continuity's sake :)
There are really two sides to it - 1) keep the Forums running, but in Nuernberg instead of Provo, hopefully enabling an overall better experience for everyone. 2) optionally moving to a more able/moderm/safe/pretty platform. My main focus is (1). I had hoped to just copy everything across, but the PHP version support is a real problem.
What about the user logins (~40K), will the users need to login to the openSUSE SSO solution? Will this SSO integrate with vB?
I have no such plans, no.
If the solution decided by you folks is not vB, I'm also assuming the current data can be available as a read only vB archive in it's final state....
I really don't know - we cannot run the vB software we have, it's just too old. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.8°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 28/01/2020 13.45, Per Jessen wrote: | Malcolm wrote: | |> Hi From my perspective, the software to use is something you |> folks are happy to maintain etc, but if we are voting (and secure |> funding) then it would be (a) just for continuity's sake :) | | There are really two sides to it - | | 1) keep the Forums running, but in Nuernberg instead of Provo, | hopefully enabling an overall better experience for everyone. | | 2) optionally moving to a more able/moderm/safe/pretty platform. IMHO, you should consider as well what platform will be easier to maintain in the future, not just the current migration. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXjAvdwAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1drNAJ9bxud+xgXNp/kHda7f33nM2gy8CwCffjsop4kbNlR80JlhU0+1mVU51DI= =g8rU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:56:33 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
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On 28/01/2020 13.45, Per Jessen wrote: | Malcolm wrote: | |> Hi From my perspective, the software to use is something you |> folks are happy to maintain etc, but if we are voting (and secure |> funding) then it would be (a) just for continuity's sake :) | | There are really two sides to it - | | 1) keep the Forums running, but in Nuernberg instead of Provo, | hopefully enabling an overall better experience for everyone. | | 2) optionally moving to a more able/moderm/safe/pretty platform.
IMHO, you should consider as well what platform will be easier to maintain in the future, not just the current migration.
Hi Yes, then it would be option 2 eg discourse(?) @Per, so if we stood up an archive version of the Forum on say Leap 15.1 and made it read only, that would work? -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) Tumbleweed 20200125 | GNOME Shell 3.34.3 | 5.4.13-1-default Intel DQ77MK MB | Xeon E3-1245 V2 X8 @ 3.40 GHz | Intel/Nvidia up 1 day 14:31, 2 users, load average: 0.16, 0.28, 0.68 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Malcolm wrote:
@Per, so if we stood up an archive version of the Forum on say Leap 15.1 and made it read only, that would work?
You mean as a collection of static pages, dished out by a webserver? Yes, that would work for me, no probs. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.3°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:41:56 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
@Per, so if we stood up an archive version of the Forum on say Leap 15.1 and made it read only, that would work?
You mean as a collection of static pages, dished out by a webserver? Yes, that would work for me, no probs.
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Malcolm wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:41:56 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
@Per, so if we stood up an archive version of the Forum on say Leap 15.1 and made it read only, that would work?
You mean as a collection of static pages, dished out by a webserver? Yes, that would work for me, no probs.
Hi Well the vB software, database and searchable?
I can only get vB running if we buy a license to the latest version. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:11:01 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:41:56 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
@Per, so if we stood up an archive version of the Forum on say Leap 15.1 and made it read only, that would work?
You mean as a collection of static pages, dished out by a webserver? Yes, that would work for me, no probs.
Hi Well the vB software, database and searchable?
I can only get vB running if we buy a license to the latest version.
Hi OK, understood :) So, we really need to obtain a license and move to the latest version, which will retain all the data etc. Since there will be no single sign on, then I'm assuming the vB login system will be used then? -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) Tumbleweed 20200125 | GNOME Shell 3.34.3 | 5.4.13-1-default Intel DQ77MK MB | Xeon E3-1245 V2 X8 @ 3.40 GHz | Intel/Nvidia up 2 days 0:53, 2 users, load average: 0.38, 0.43, 0.78 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Malcolm wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:11:01 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:41:56 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
@Per, so if we stood up an archive version of the Forum on say Leap 15.1 and made it read only, that would work?
You mean as a collection of static pages, dished out by a webserver? Yes, that would work for me, no probs.
Hi Well the vB software, database and searchable?
I can only get vB running if we buy a license to the latest version.
Hi OK, understood :)
So, we really need to obtain a license and move to the latest version, which will retain all the data etc.
Yes, I'm going to propose that, given the timeframe etc.
Since there will be no single sign on, then I'm assuming the vB login system will be used then?
Yes, I see no reason for integrating the forum sign-on with the rest. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.0°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2020, 00:51:28 CET schrieb Malcolm:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:11:01 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:41:56 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
@Per, so if we stood up an archive version of the Forum on say Leap 15.1 and made it read only, that would work?
You mean as a collection of static pages, dished out by a webserver? Yes, that would work for me, no probs.
Hi Well the vB software, database and searchable?
I can only get vB running if we buy a license to the latest version.
Hi OK, understood :)
So, we really need to obtain a license and move to the latest version, which will retain all the data etc.
AFAIK darix mentioned at the offsite meeting that a migration of existing data to discord is doable, but I don't know any technical details. I'll add another, probably controversal idea: If we find a volunteer who _quickly_ migrates everything to discord (as soon as we have the forums moved to NBG), would the PHP in SLE 12 be old enough for the current vBulletin version? (Obviously this really should only be used as a temporary solution - running the old vBulletin version for a longer time is not a good idea.)
Since there will be no single sign on, then I'm assuming the vB login system will be used then?
I'd prefer to keep the forums integrated in the single sign on. I only know the forums from the "outside view", but my guess (based on how the login is done today) is that they use the login proxy - which we also [1] use for the wikis and some other services in Nuremberg. Per, AFAIK you already got the files for the forums. Can you please have a look how the login is done? If grep -r HTTP_X_USERNAME gives you a result, then it's really using the login proxy. Regards, Christian Boltz [1] Technically it's different software, but to the webapp it looks the same - the webapp sees some HTTP headers with username etc. -- There is a limit to the value of statistics. After all, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. [Richard Brown in opensuse-project] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Op woensdag 29 januari 2020 13:27:55 CET schreef Christian Boltz:
Hello,
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2020, 00:51:28 CET schrieb Malcolm:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:11:01 +0100
Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:41:56 +0100
Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
@Per, so if we stood up an archive version of the Forum on say Leap 15.1 and made it read only, that would work?
You mean as a collection of static pages, dished out by a webserver? Yes, that would work for me, no probs.
Hi Well the vB software, database and searchable?
I can only get vB running if we buy a license to the latest version.
Hi OK, understood :)
So, we really need to obtain a license and move to the latest version, which will retain all the data etc.
AFAIK darix mentioned at the offsite meeting that a migration of existing data to discord is doable, but I don't know any technical details.
I'll add another, probably controversal idea: If we find a volunteer who _quickly_ migrates everything to discord (as soon as we have the forums moved to NBG), would the PHP in SLE 12 be old enough for the current vBulletin version? (Obviously this really should only be used as a temporary solution - running the old vBulletin version for a longer time is not a good idea.)
Since there will be no single sign on, then I'm assuming the vB login system will be used then?
I'd prefer to keep the forums integrated in the single sign on. I only know the forums from the "outside view", but my guess (based on how the login is done today) is that they use the login proxy - which we also [1] use for the wikis and some other services in Nuremberg.
Per, AFAIK you already got the files for the forums. Can you please have a look how the login is done? If grep -r HTTP_X_USERNAME gives you a result, then it's really using the login proxy.
Regards,
Christian Boltz
[1] Technically it's different software, but to the webapp it looks the same - the webapp sees some HTTP headers with username etc. Christian, I think you're mixing discord and Discourse. The latter is forums software, the former is a social media platform, initially built for gamers.
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Hello, Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2020, 13:31:29 CET schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
Christian, I think you're mixing discord and Discourse. The latter is forums software, the former is a social media platform, initially built for gamers.
Oops, sorry! They sound too similar, and of course I meant the forums software ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz --
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Christian Boltz wrote:
AFAIK darix mentioned at the offsite meeting that a migration of existing data to discord is doable, but I don't know any technical details.
He showed us Discourse running, but I don't remember discussing anything about migration.
I'll add another, probably controversal idea: If we find a volunteer who _quickly_ migrates everything to discord (as soon as we have the forums moved to NBG), would the PHP in SLE 12 be old enough for the current vBulletin version? (Obviously this really should only be used as a temporary solution - running the old vBulletin version for a longer time is not a good idea.)
Running the older version for longer doesn't really make things any worse than they are :-) If SLE12 has php 7.1 or older, that should be fine, afaict.
I'd prefer to keep the forums integrated in the single sign on. Per, AFAIK you already got the files for the forums. Can you please have a look how the login is done? If grep -r HTTP_X_USERNAME gives you a result, then it's really using the login proxy.
I don't see HTTP_X_USERNAME anywhere. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.5°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:27:55 +0100 Christian Boltz <opensuse@cboltz.de> wrote: <snip>
I'd prefer to keep the forums integrated in the single sign on. I only know the forums from the "outside view", but my guess (based on how the login is done today) is that they use the login proxy - which we also [1] use for the wikis and some other services in Nuremberg.
Hi Thanks for chipping in :) So user migration as in usernames/email would happen as well (part of vB), or if the don't exist need to create a new login, but will still line up with the forum software?
Per, AFAIK you already got the files for the forums. Can you please have a look how the login is done? If grep -r HTTP_X_USERNAME gives you a result, then it's really using the login proxy.
@Per, can you confirm you have the Forum vB data dump now? -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) Tumbleweed 20200128 | GNOME Shell 3.34.3 | 5.4.14-1-default Intel DQ77MK MB | Xeon E3-1245 V2 X8 @ 3.40 GHz | Intel/Nvidia up 0:25, 2 users, load average: 1.08, 1.46, 1.19 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Malcolm wrote:
@Per, can you confirm you have the Forum vB data dump now?
Hi Malcolm I have the vB code (a tarball of the installation), but still no database dump. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.1°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:22:22 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
@Per, can you confirm you have the Forum vB data dump now?
Hi Malcolm
I have the vB code (a tarball of the installation), but still no database dump.
Hi Per et al. Thanks for that, will see what TPTB know.... Hypothetically, if we went the discourse way, how long would it take to stand this up and integrate with openSUSE themes, login to existing authentication etc? That being said, how long would you expect it to take once get the vB data, bearing in mind hopefully we can get a newer one as well since it's two months old! The way I see it we need to come up with a go/no-go timeline... -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) Tumbleweed 20200128 | GNOME Shell 3.34.3 | 5.4.14-1-default Intel DQ77MK MB | Xeon E3-1245 V2 X8 @ 3.40 GHz | Intel/Nvidia up 18:01, 2 users, load average: 4.45, 1.19, 0.85 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Malcolm wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:22:22 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
@Per, can you confirm you have the Forum vB data dump now?
Hi Malcolm
I have the vB code (a tarball of the installation), but still no database dump.
Hi Per et al. Thanks for that, will see what TPTB know....
Hypothetically, if we went the discourse way, how long would it take to stand this up and integrate with openSUSE themes, login to existing authentication etc?
I have no idea ... we have little or no Discourse expertise. Discourse is a rails app, getting that up and running is probably not too difficult. Customizing it is something else.
That being said, how long would you expect it to take once get the vB data,
With vB 4.2.2 - provided I have a platform with the right php version, I would not expect that to take more than a couple of hours. It should be no more than restoring the dump and cranking up apache. With a new vB 5.x - it'll no doubt take longer, it depends on how smooth the upgrade process is.
bearing in mind hopefully we can get a newer one as well since it's two months old!
I have already mentioned the need to get a 2nd dump once we're ready to migrate. TBH, my favourite option is to run vB 4.2.2 on Leap42.3 (which has php7.0). Any decision about whether to upgrade vB or move to Discourse can then be left to a later date. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.1°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/01/2020 17.10, Per Jessen wrote:
TBH, my favourite option is to run vB 4.2.2 on Leap42.3 (which has php7.0). Any decision about whether to upgrade vB or move to Discourse can then be left to a later date.
Leap 42.3 is unmaintained already since a while, so better not put new stuff on it. Better make applications work on 15.1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Bernhard M. Wiedemann wrote:
On 30/01/2020 17.10, Per Jessen wrote:
TBH, my favourite option is to run vB 4.2.2 on Leap42.3 (which has php7.0). Any decision about whether to upgrade vB or move to Discourse can then be left to a later date.
Leap 42.3 is unmaintained already since a while, so better not put new stuff on it. Better make applications work on 15.1
Certainly, but it is a matter of priorities and time available. Copying over the current forums setup onto a Leap42.3 system means minimum time and effort. After that, we can work on moving to an updated platform. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.7°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Disclaimer: I'm just lurking in this forums thread without exactly remembering all the details dicussed before. On 1/31/20 11:21 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Bernhard M. Wiedemann wrote:
Leap 42.3 is unmaintained already since a while, so better not put new stuff on it. Better make applications work on 15.1
Certainly, but it is a matter of priorities and time available. Copying over the current forums setup onto a Leap42.3 system means minimum time and effort. After that, we can work on moving to an updated platform.
Per, I somewhat understand your argument. But the forums are a publicly accessible service and thus I also would argue that running it on unsupported platform is a no-go. The damage of a successful break-in cannot be overestimated. Furthermore given the amount of time needed to just get a forums database export it's a long running migration project anyway. Last not least running non-free / non-openSUSE software also seems to be a pain. => I'd vote for migration to another forum platform. darix already worked on packaging and running discourse. That seems to be a good option. Ciao, Michael. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Michael Strc3b6der wrote:
Disclaimer: I'm just lurking in this forums thread without exactly remembering all the details dicussed before.
On 1/31/20 11:21 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Bernhard M. Wiedemann wrote:
Leap 42.3 is unmaintained already since a while, so better not put new stuff on it. Better make applications work on 15.1
Certainly, but it is a matter of priorities and time available. Copying over the current forums setup onto a Leap42.3 system means minimum time and effort. After that, we can work on moving to an updated platform.
Per, I somewhat understand your argument.
But the forums are a publicly accessible service and thus I also would argue that running it on unsupported platform is a no-go. The damage of a successful break-in cannot be overestimated.
Furthermore given the amount of time needed to just get a forums database export it's a long running migration project anyway.
AFAIU, the deadline is end of February, but it can be extended.
Last not least running non-free / non-openSUSE software also seems to be a pain.
=> I'd vote for migration to another forum platform.
darix already worked on packaging and running discourse. That seems to be a good option.
Agree with all of that. My only objective is to move the forums from Provo to Nuernberg, hopefully thereby achieving the following: a) de-coupling from MF-IT b) improved service for the forum users c) the opportunity to improve the setup. I have to consider how much time & effort I am willing to spend on this. Doing a "raw copy" of the setup is minimum time & effort, but achieves 2/3 of the above. Anyone will then be free to worry about (c). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 01:32:53PM +0100, Michael Ströder wrote:
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But the forums are a publicly accessible service and thus I also would argue that running it on unsupported platform is a no-go. The damage of a successful break-in cannot be overestimated.
Definitely, it is dangerous to run Leap 42.3 and it is the worst practice from system maintenance point of view. I feel even stopping the service is better then running a vulnerability-prone system.
Furthermore given the amount of time needed to just get a forums database export it's a long running migration project anyway.
Last not least running non-free / non-openSUSE software also seems to be a pain.
=> I'd vote for migration to another forum platform.
Although I do not know much about vbulletin, since it non-free software, I very much agree with you. Yes, we should migrate it to free software platform.
darix already worked on packaging and running discourse. That seems to be a good option.
Sounds great!
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 08:30:38 +0100 Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
d) switch to something else, e.g. discourse. Apart from migrating the current contents, this is easy. I don't know what the forum admins would say to losing the contents.
zypper ar obs://home:darix:apps home:darix:apps zypper ar obs://server:database:postgresql server:database:postgresql zypper in discourse redis postgresql12-server discourse-apparmor nginx-apparmor nginx the real fun starts with a) working on the SSO integration. discourse supports a lot of things including SAML but it would need to be tested b) test how well the importer script works with our old version the package above powers https://discuss.pixls.us/ and used to power the chinese openSUSE forum. why you want discourse: - modern interface (no "next page" e.g.) Progressive webapp ready - has email integration. reading and replying via email is easy. starting new threads I dont know yet. - you can buy support if needed. hth darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
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