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Casual Programmer

10 May 2008 10 May '08

08:05

It'd probably be easier to discuss this if you could let us know why you don't want to use it. I have heard, from exactly one

person, that sound

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is stuttering, which in itself is bad and hopefully will be solved with the glitch-free branch of PulseAudio[1]. How/When we can get that in to 11.0 when Lennart (the author) merges it I don't know.

I obviously missed the part where this issue was discussed. My view is as follows: PC's or Workstations are tools for a certain kind of User / Customer and not kiddie playthings with bells and whistles and all sorts of small pastimes. When I first came across Linux, I immediately decided on Gnome Desktop for exactly that reason. Regarding the distribution I ran in several circles, partially caused by the fact, that some ( among them SuSE thence ) would simply not install on my hardware. After having tried all major distros I decided on openSuSE ( fallback Fedora ) for ease of use an managability. That was 10.2 which was fine with me, except for two issues that were promised to be fixed in 10.3, that's how I got a bit deeper involved than I had at first intended. I have no objections against offering all sorts of gimmickry, but it shouldn't be forced on the average user by default. You like a boomerang that either kills or comes back to your hand. The fancy coloring is for worthless crap sold to tourists. You probably were discussing all that earlier, alas I wasn't around then. Conclusion K* = Windows 99, Gnome-openSuSe = WindowsXP Professional. Depends on who you see as your User / Customer, as openSuSE is used as Testbed for SLES I should expect a more professional view on some issues ( like letting everybody fumble with system resources ) Casual Feel free to not like my opinion ;-) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

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Magnus Boman

10 May 10 May

08:21

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] pulse audio applet

On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 01:05 -0700, Casual Programmer wrote:

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It'd probably be easier to discuss this if you could let us know why you don't want to use it. I have heard, from exactly one person, that sound is stuttering, which in itself is bad and hopefully will be solved with the glitch-free branch of PulseAudio[1]. How/When we can get that in to 11.0 when Lennart (the author) merges it I don't know.

I obviously missed the part where this issue was discussed.

Yes. But I'm still curious as to what issues you see with PA, which was the original intent of your email I presume. Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Rodrigo Moya

12 May 12 May

14:03

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] pulse audio applet

On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 01:05 -0700, Casual Programmer wrote:

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You like a boomerang that either kills or comes back to your hand. The fancy coloring is for worthless crap sold to tourists.

well, saying this it seems you mean we have just forced PA in the distro with us knowing it is a piece of crap. It works for 99% of the people, and we have seen just 1 report about the bad performance, for which a fix is under way (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381686 ). We have not seen 100s of reports about unhappy users, so if there is anything that doesn't work for you, file bugs please, we will be doing our best to fix all the issues, but as I said, so far, all the bug reports are being fixed, and nobody, apart from you, at least that I know, has complained much about PA. PA is being used now in GNOME upstream, so we have been just following the direction taken there. -- Rodrigo Moya -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Alberto Passalacqua

17:28

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] pulse audio applet

Just my two cents:

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You like a boomerang that either kills or comes back to your hand. The fancy coloring is for worthless crap sold to tourists.

well, saying this it seems you mean we have just forced PA in the distro with us knowing it is a piece of crap.

I think we could really have waited for 11.1, when pulseaudio would have been a bit more stable, in the view of having, for once, a good quality release starting from the released day, and not six months later after a lot of patches.

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It works for 99% of the people, and we have seen just 1 report about the bad performance, for which a fix is under way (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381686 ).

A lot of people, me included, is not testing it because we use virtual machines, so we don't really know how it behaves on real hardware. What's sure is that ubuntu is receiving a lot of complaints about pulseaudio, and the benefits seem to be small to me too.

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We have not seen 100s of reports about unhappy users, so if there is anything that doesn't work for you, file bugs please, we will be doing our best to fix all the issues, but as I said, so far, all the bug reports are being fixed, and nobody, apart from you, at least that I know, has complained much about PA.

PA is being used now in GNOME upstream, so we have been just following the direction taken there.

True, but we don't always follow upstream for everything. We have probably the most personalised and patched GNOME in openSUSE, with all the advantages and disadvantages. Anyway, PA is in. Let's hope it works well. We should just keep an eye on it during the last phases of testing. Regards, A. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

CyberOrg

18:00

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On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

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Anyway, PA is in. Let's hope it works well. We should just keep an eye on it during the last phases of testing.

Yes, let us have some bugs, there aren't any PA bugs left for captain_magnus to fix :) Seriously, please file bugs if you see issues with PA in openSUSE 11.0

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Beta1/2/3 instead of getting worried about many bugs in Ubuntu.

Fix for performance is already in, and Rodrigo and Magnus are already working to provide a GUI for multiple speaker setup. Cheers -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Kevin Dupuy

23:34

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On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 23:30 +0530, CyberOrg wrote:

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On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

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Anyway, PA is in. Let's hope it works well. We should just keep an eye on it during the last phases of testing.

Yes, let us have some bugs, there aren't any PA bugs left for captain_magnus to fix :)

Seriously, please file bugs if you see issues with PA in openSUSE 11.0

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Beta1/2/3 instead of getting worried about many bugs in Ubuntu.

Fix for performance is already in, and Rodrigo and Magnus are already working to provide a GUI for multiple speaker setup.

Cheers

-J

So, uh, what is the consensus of the original discussion: will we have a simple volume slider applet for PulseAudio instead of the big window? -- Kevin "Yo" Dupuy | Public Mail | Yo.media: 225-590-5961 Swift Change for a Green Future: Kat Swift for President www.VoteSwift.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

CyberOrg

13 May 13 May

06:58

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On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Kevin Dupuy wrote:

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Fix for performance is already in, and Rodrigo and Magnus are already working to provide a GUI for multiple speaker setup.

Cheers

-J

So, uh, what is the consensus of the original discussion: will we have a simple volume slider applet for PulseAudio instead of the big window?

Users can carry on using old volume applet it is still there :), right-click remove PA applet, right-click on the panel -> add to panel -> volume control I agree it should be in the panel by default. Cheers -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Christian Jäger

14 May 14 May

09:50

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This is exactly the important point. Until the PulseAudio-applet's current pop-up menu has been replaced by a simple volume-slider it is really useless and confusing to the vast majority of the userbase. So; if you won't hack it, please get rid of it in the default configuratoin and replace it by GNOME's volume-control applet. Greets, Chris Am Montag, den 12.05.2008, 18:34 -0500 schrieb Kevin Dupuy:

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On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 23:30 +0530, CyberOrg wrote:

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On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

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Anyway, PA is in. Let's hope it works well. We should just keep an eye on it during the last phases of testing.

Yes, let us have some bugs, there aren't any PA bugs left for captain_magnus to fix :)

Seriously, please file bugs if you see issues with PA in openSUSE 11.0

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Beta1/2/3 instead of getting worried about many bugs in Ubuntu.

Fix for performance is already in, and Rodrigo and Magnus are already working to provide a GUI for multiple speaker setup.

Cheers

-J

So, uh, what is the consensus of the original discussion: will we have a simple volume slider applet for PulseAudio instead of the big window? -- Kevin "Yo" Dupuy | Public Mail | Yo.media: 225-590-5961 Swift Change for a Green Future: Kat Swift for President www.VoteSwift.org

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CyberOrg

07:58

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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Christian Jäger wrote:

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So; if you won't hack it, please get rid of it in the default configuratoin and replace it by GNOME's volume-control applet.

No hacking required, you can continue using GNOME's volume applet. Cheers -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek

11:21

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Dnia 14-05-2008, Śr o godzinie 13:28 +0530, CyberOrg pisze:

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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Christian Jäger wrote:

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So; if you won't hack it, please get rid of it in the default configuratoin and replace it by GNOME's volume-control applet.

No hacking required, you can continue using GNOME's volume applet.

Without using PA's functionality. Such solution doesn't count. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/

Rodrigo Moya

11:08

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] pulse audio applet

On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 11:50 +0200, Christian Jäger wrote:

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This is exactly the important point. Until the PulseAudio-applet's current pop-up menu has been replaced by a simple volume-slider it is really useless and confusing to the vast majority of the userbase.

So; if you won't hack it, please get rid of it in the default configuratoin and replace it by GNOME's volume-control applet.

I'm hacking on this right now, so just a bit of patience :-) -- Rodrigo Moya -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek

11:22

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Dnia 14-05-2008, Śr o godzinie 13:08 +0200, Rodrigo Moya pisze:

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On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 11:50 +0200, Christian Jäger wrote:

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This is exactly the important point. Until the PulseAudio-applet's current pop-up menu has been replaced by a simple volume-slider it is really useless and confusing to the vast majority of the userbase.

So; if you won't hack it, please get rid of it in the default configuratoin and replace it by GNOME's volume-control applet.

I'm hacking on this right now, so just a bit of patience :-)

Gr8 :) ! -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/

Christian Jäger

15:02

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Am Mittwoch, den 14.05.2008, 13:08 +0200 schrieb Rodrigo Moya:

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I'm hacking on this right now, so just a bit of patience :-)

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Rodrigo Moya

13 May 13 May

10:00

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] pulse audio applet

On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 12:28 -0500, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

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Just my two cents:

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You like a boomerang that either kills or comes back to your hand. The fancy coloring is for worthless crap sold to tourists.

well, saying this it seems you mean we have just forced PA in the distro with us knowing it is a piece of crap.

I think we could really have waited for 11.1, when pulseaudio would have been a bit more stable, in the view of having, for once, a good quality release starting from the released day, and not six months later after a lot of patches.

I am seeing, right now, 0 problems with PA, and most people seem to also, so it's not that a few people having problems means it's not stable enough. It means we really need to fix those issues

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It works for 99% of the people, and we have seen just 1 report about the bad performance, for which a fix is under way (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381686 ).

A lot of people, me included, is not testing it because we use virtual machines, so we don't really know how it behaves on real hardware.

still, some testing on virtual machines, given lots of people will be using them these days, would be really useful. So please test it also there

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What's sure is that ubuntu is receiving a lot of complaints about pulseaudio, and the benefits seem to be small to me too.

as some review pointed out, their PA integration is worst than ours :-) But yes, in 11.0 we probably don't see too much benefit, but in future versions, as I already said, we will be able to take advantage of its features for new stuff.

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We have not seen 100s of reports about unhappy users, so if there is anything that doesn't work for you, file bugs please, we will be doing our best to fix all the issues, but as I said, so far, all the bug reports are being fixed, and nobody, apart from you, at least that I know, has complained much about PA.

PA is being used now in GNOME upstream, so we have been just following the direction taken there.

True, but we don't always follow upstream for everything. We have probably the most personalised and patched GNOME in openSUSE, with all the advantages and disadvantages.

we are working on fixing that, IMO we should follow upstream as much as possible

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Anyway, PA is in. Let's hope it works well. We should just keep an eye on it during the last phases of testing.

yes, please test under all circumstances (VM, etc) :) -- Rodrigo Moya -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

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