On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 14:02 -0500, Hans Petter Jansson wrote:
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:21 +0200, Bjørn Lie wrote:
There is some of us that think the whole pulseaudio is a huge backstep, and prefer just to remove it. Leaving pulseaudio as default is fine as long as removing/disabling it is not a problem. Pretty please do not put us in the mess ubuntu is finding themselves in right now.
I'm curious as to what the complaints about Pulseaudio are. Are people finding underlying problems in its architecture, is it buggy, or is it just poorly integrated in Ubuntu?
I if play a mp3 and change active window, say from firefox to evo, the audio will skip... Heck even the logon-sound from gnome skips when logging on. Using plain alsa I can abuse my system from here till next easter and the music will not skip one beat. I don't even have to remove pulse, just set everything to alsa in gnome-control-panel to alsa, instant bliss. I can only imagine how my I angry I would be if I tried to record something, and looking at my keyboard would make the recording useless since it would have a bunch of skips in it. Why does the pulseaudio peeps think it's a good thing to take what now is done in hardware, (I'm talking about proper soundcards here, not some 25 cents worth onboard-soundchip), meaning mixing, and putting it in software? If I didn't care about audio, I wouldn't have dedicated hardware for it. Then there is the 5.1/7.1 audio thing, alsa == unmute the backspeakers/sidespeakers, front/center and lfe are enabled by default PA == edit obscure new config file + restart soundserver, yeah thats progress.... I always set the volume for my different speakers at different volume, aka center down for playing music (turn it up when I play movies with 5.1 audio) + I turn my LFE way down so my house does not sound like a disco for the neighbors. In PA, all the speakers return to a preset volume (better now, not back to 100% as was the case before) and locked together again so I have to unlock them before setting the volume. If a laptop is turned on with the volume on max it's not a big problem, my system turned on with volume set to max == little heart attack + neighbors calling the police. I'm sure there is more, but this will have to do for now. Is PA buggy? No not really, it's all a feature. Is it annoying as hell? You bet! As for the ubuntu remark, yes there they made a bobo, lots of people without sound at all, no sound for flash content, no pa volume meter++ installed by default, skype does not work (audio) sdl-games= no audio + the same damn SKIPPING audio problems for a lot of people + more I'm sure. But what I was referring to was the fact that as far as I've seen from posts, if one tries to apt-remove pulseaudio in ubuntu, it wants to remove gnome-desktop, this might be fixed now, dunno and don't care :) I just don't want to end up in the situation that if I remove pa, I loose my volume applet, because someone in their wisdom patched volume-applet and pa-volume together. Search the ubuntu forum + bugzilla, Keywords pulseaudio and broken. Bjørn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org