[opensuse-gnome] pulse audio applet
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Don't you think that the pulse audio applet (now default in 11.0) is a bit annoying? I mean, with the applet Volume Control you get the volume control slider simply clicking in the icon. With pulse audio, is necessary to open the applet, select volume control, then select the tab output devices and then you are able to modify the volume. This should be easier. Regards. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIGhZFNHr4BkRe3pIRCHZSAJ9MNolzXUIGDg2TkagrNJfH+7bRvwCdE83e 6YSXZfaAsYRDPKSgIrof3Do= =Vqoy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Somehow I thought that this applet taking up screen estate was only a glitch. It really is completely useless for everyday users. It's even confusing because all an everyday users wants from a speaker symbol is to click on it and change the volume. So yes, please: remove the pulse audio applet. Yours, Chris Am Donnerstag, den 01.05.2008, 16:13 -0300 schrieb Gabriel:
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Don't you think that the pulse audio applet (now default in 11.0) is a bit annoying? I mean, with the applet Volume Control you get the volume control slider simply clicking in the icon. With pulse audio, is necessary to open the applet, select volume control, then select the tab output devices and then you are able to modify the volume.
This should be easier.
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On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 21:52 +0200, Christian Jäger wrote:
Somehow I thought that this applet taking up screen estate was only a glitch. It really is completely useless for everyday users. It's even confusing because all an everyday users wants from a speaker symbol is to click on it and change the volume.
So yes, please: remove the pulse audio applet.
Am Donnerstag, den 01.05.2008, 16:13 -0300 schrieb Gabriel:
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Don't you think that the pulse audio applet (now default in 11.0) is a bit annoying? I mean, with the applet Volume Control you get the volume control slider simply clicking in the icon. With pulse audio, is necessary to open the applet, select volume control, then select the tab output devices and then you are able to modify the volume.
This should be easier.
If you two want to see my opinion about the entire new soundserver visit https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381686 Feel free to take my advice about ripping out all pulseaudio packages and return to pre-pulseaudio bliss. Bjørn PS, there is also http://en.opensuse.org/Pulseaudio -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le jeudi 01 mai 2008, à 16:13 -0300, Gabriel a écrit :
Don't you think that the pulse audio applet (now default in 11.0) is a bit annoying? I mean, with the applet Volume Control you get the volume control slider simply clicking in the icon. With pulse audio, is necessary to open the applet, select volume control, then select the tab output devices and then you are able to modify the volume.
I must admit I'm also using the gnome volume control applet because, well, it does what I want to do... The rationale behind using padevchooser is that it gives the user access to the pulseaudio features. What does it do: + let the user select the default server/sink/source. That's quite cool actually. Except that I'm not really sure people know what this means. + launch the manager. But I don't see how the manager is useful. + launch the volume control. Good. + volume meter. Not really useful, except in some corner cases. + configure local sound server. Good, but a bit techie, I guess. + show notifications for some events. Wouldn't it make sense to patch the volume applet to use the PA volume control instead of gnome-volume-control, add a menu item to configure the local sound server, and maybe add some notifications? The only thing that wouldn't be integrated this way is the selection for default server/sink/source. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 09:52 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le jeudi 01 mai 2008, à 16:13 -0300, Gabriel a écrit :
Don't you think that the pulse audio applet (now default in 11.0) is a bit annoying? I mean, with the applet Volume Control you get the volume control slider simply clicking in the icon. With pulse audio, is necessary to open the applet, select volume control, then select the tab output devices and then you are able to modify the volume.
I must admit I'm also using the gnome volume control applet because, well, it does what I want to do...
The rationale behind using padevchooser is that it gives the user access to the pulseaudio features. What does it do:
+ let the user select the default server/sink/source. That's quite cool actually. Except that I'm not really sure people know what this means.
+ launch the manager. But I don't see how the manager is useful.
+ launch the volume control. Good.
+ volume meter. Not really useful, except in some corner cases.
+ configure local sound server. Good, but a bit techie, I guess.
+ show notifications for some events.
Wouldn't it make sense to patch the volume applet to use the PA volume control instead of gnome-volume-control, add a menu item to configure the local sound server, and maybe add some notifications? The only thing that wouldn't be integrated this way is the selection for default server/sink/source.
yes, that was the long term plan, not sure if we want all this for 11.0
though, but shouldn't be hard at all
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On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 09:52 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le jeudi 01 mai 2008, à 16:13 -0300, Gabriel a écrit :
Don't you think that the pulse audio applet (now default in 11.0) is a bit annoying? I mean, with the applet Volume Control you get the volume control slider simply clicking in the icon. With pulse audio, is necessary to open the applet, select volume control, then select the tab output devices and then you are able to modify the volume.
I must admit I'm also using the gnome volume control applet because, well, it does what I want to do...
The rationale behind using padevchooser is that it gives the user access to the pulseaudio features. What does it do:
+ let the user select the default server/sink/source. That's quite cool actually. Except that I'm not really sure people know what this means.
+ launch the manager. But I don't see how the manager is useful.
+ launch the volume control. Good.
+ volume meter. Not really useful, except in some corner cases.
+ configure local sound server. Good, but a bit techie, I guess.
+ show notifications for some events.
Wouldn't it make sense to patch the volume applet to use the PA volume control instead of gnome-volume-control, add a menu item to configure the local sound server, and maybe add some notifications? The only thing that wouldn't be integrated this way is the selection for default server/sink/source.
Vincent
Whatever you do, keep it so that it is possible to totally remove all traces of pulseaudio, without loosing functionality (this is the current situation/status). There is some of us that think the whole pulseaudio is a huge backstep, and prefer just to remove it. Leaving pulseaudio as default is fine as long as removing/disabling it is not a problem. Pretty please do not put us in the mess ubuntu is finding themselves in right now. Bjørn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:21 +0200, Bjørn Lie wrote:
There is some of us that think the whole pulseaudio is a huge backstep, and prefer just to remove it. Leaving pulseaudio as default is fine as long as removing/disabling it is not a problem. Pretty please do not put us in the mess ubuntu is finding themselves in right now.
I'm curious as to what the complaints about Pulseaudio are. Are people finding underlying problems in its architecture, is it buggy, or is it just poorly integrated in Ubuntu? -- Hans Petter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 14:02 -0500, Hans Petter Jansson wrote:
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:21 +0200, Bjørn Lie wrote:
There is some of us that think the whole pulseaudio is a huge backstep, and prefer just to remove it. Leaving pulseaudio as default is fine as long as removing/disabling it is not a problem. Pretty please do not put us in the mess ubuntu is finding themselves in right now.
I'm curious as to what the complaints about Pulseaudio are. Are people finding underlying problems in its architecture, is it buggy, or is it just poorly integrated in Ubuntu?
I if play a mp3 and change active window, say from firefox to evo, the audio will skip... Heck even the logon-sound from gnome skips when logging on. Using plain alsa I can abuse my system from here till next easter and the music will not skip one beat. I don't even have to remove pulse, just set everything to alsa in gnome-control-panel to alsa, instant bliss. I can only imagine how my I angry I would be if I tried to record something, and looking at my keyboard would make the recording useless since it would have a bunch of skips in it. Why does the pulseaudio peeps think it's a good thing to take what now is done in hardware, (I'm talking about proper soundcards here, not some 25 cents worth onboard-soundchip), meaning mixing, and putting it in software? If I didn't care about audio, I wouldn't have dedicated hardware for it. Then there is the 5.1/7.1 audio thing, alsa == unmute the backspeakers/sidespeakers, front/center and lfe are enabled by default PA == edit obscure new config file + restart soundserver, yeah thats progress.... I always set the volume for my different speakers at different volume, aka center down for playing music (turn it up when I play movies with 5.1 audio) + I turn my LFE way down so my house does not sound like a disco for the neighbors. In PA, all the speakers return to a preset volume (better now, not back to 100% as was the case before) and locked together again so I have to unlock them before setting the volume. If a laptop is turned on with the volume on max it's not a big problem, my system turned on with volume set to max == little heart attack + neighbors calling the police. I'm sure there is more, but this will have to do for now. Is PA buggy? No not really, it's all a feature. Is it annoying as hell? You bet! As for the ubuntu remark, yes there they made a bobo, lots of people without sound at all, no sound for flash content, no pa volume meter++ installed by default, skype does not work (audio) sdl-games= no audio + the same damn SKIPPING audio problems for a lot of people + more I'm sure. But what I was referring to was the fact that as far as I've seen from posts, if one tries to apt-remove pulseaudio in ubuntu, it wants to remove gnome-desktop, this might be fixed now, dunno and don't care :) I just don't want to end up in the situation that if I remove pa, I loose my volume applet, because someone in their wisdom patched volume-applet and pa-volume together. Search the ubuntu forum + bugzilla, Keywords pulseaudio and broken. Bjørn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
I think the problem is that this innovation costs all (users who feel performance to be lower or are simply irritated by a new applet) and benefits few (who really use the possibilities PulseAudio provides). The first part of the problem is similar to Compiz and its 'bling'; it cost a lot of performance and made a lot of problems in the beginning. But what alleviated the 'marketing-problem' with Compiz was that also almost everybody CRAVED for that bling (wobbly windows, spinning cube...) once he/she had seen it. For PulseAudio, we don't have something like this... The functionality it provides for audio might be similar to what Compiz did for video, but almost no-one will want to use it in practice. That _is_ a problem when once tries to gather acceptance among openSUSE's userbase. Just my to Cents; sorry that it's nothing constructive. :/ Chris Am Freitag, den 09.05.2008, 22:11 +0200 schrieb Bjørn Lie:
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 14:02 -0500, Hans Petter Jansson wrote:
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:21 +0200, Bjørn Lie wrote:
There is some of us that think the whole pulseaudio is a huge backstep, and prefer just to remove it. Leaving pulseaudio as default is fine as long as removing/disabling it is not a problem. Pretty please do not put us in the mess ubuntu is finding themselves in right now.
I'm curious as to what the complaints about Pulseaudio are. Are people finding underlying problems in its architecture, is it buggy, or is it just poorly integrated in Ubuntu?
I if play a mp3 and change active window, say from firefox to evo, the audio will skip... Heck even the logon-sound from gnome skips when logging on. Using plain alsa I can abuse my system from here till next easter and the music will not skip one beat. I don't even have to remove pulse, just set everything to alsa in gnome-control-panel to alsa, instant bliss.
Why does the pulseaudio peeps think it's a good thing to take what now is done in hardware, (I'm talking about proper soundcards here, not some 25 cents worth onboard-soundchip), meaning mixing, and putting it in software? If I didn't care about audio, I wouldn't have dedicated hardware for it.
As for the ubuntu remark, yes there they made a bobo, lots of people without sound at all, no sound for flash content, no pa volume meter++ installed by default, skype does not work (audio) sdl-games= no audio + the same damn SKIPPING audio problems for a lot of people + more I'm sure.
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On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 00:42 +0200, Christian Jäger wrote:
I think the problem is that this innovation costs all (users who feel performance to be lower or are simply irritated by a new applet) and benefits few (who really use the possibilities PulseAudio provides).
The first part of the problem is similar to Compiz and its 'bling'; it cost a lot of performance and made a lot of problems in the beginning.
But what alleviated the 'marketing-problem' with Compiz was that also almost everybody CRAVED for that bling (wobbly windows, spinning cube...) once he/she had seen it. For PulseAudio, we don't have something like this... The functionality it provides for audio might be similar to what Compiz did for video, but almost no-one will want to use it in practice. That _is_ a problem when once tries to gather acceptance among openSUSE's userbase.
right, but I see PA integration in 11.0 as a 1st step to achieve
something like that. In 11.1, .2, 12.x.. I think we would be able to
make better things to use the extra features in PA.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I don't know if PA works fine or not, I didn't tested yet. The only complain I have so far is that the applet should be a volume control, and not the actual one. I PA is causing trouble, I'll simply remove it and install alsa as Bjørn suggested. Best regards. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIJcDzNHr4BkRe3pIRCGLiAJ0enHRhZ6PjMuzr4pzWgZjAaF8x2gCfedlL PbBhS9Whc9DKDiu4TMZlm9o= =WceI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:21 +0200, Bjørn Lie wrote:
On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 09:52 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le jeudi 01 mai 2008, à 16:13 -0300, Gabriel a écrit :
Don't you think that the pulse audio applet (now default in 11.0) is a bit annoying? I mean, with the applet Volume Control you get the volume control slider simply clicking in the icon. With pulse audio, is necessary to open the applet, select volume control, then select the tab output devices and then you are able to modify the volume.
I must admit I'm also using the gnome volume control applet because, well, it does what I want to do...
The rationale behind using padevchooser is that it gives the user access to the pulseaudio features. What does it do:
+ let the user select the default server/sink/source. That's quite cool actually. Except that I'm not really sure people know what this means.
+ launch the manager. But I don't see how the manager is useful.
+ launch the volume control. Good.
+ volume meter. Not really useful, except in some corner cases.
+ configure local sound server. Good, but a bit techie, I guess.
+ show notifications for some events.
Wouldn't it make sense to patch the volume applet to use the PA volume control instead of gnome-volume-control, add a menu item to configure the local sound server, and maybe add some notifications? The only thing that wouldn't be integrated this way is the selection for default server/sink/source.
Vincent
Whatever you do, keep it so that it is possible to totally remove all traces of pulseaudio, without loosing functionality (this is the current situation/status).
There is some of us that think the whole pulseaudio is a huge backstep, and prefer just to remove it. Leaving pulseaudio as default is fine as long as removing/disabling it is not a problem. Pretty please do not put us in the mess ubuntu is finding themselves in right now.
the whole of GNOME still depends/uses libesd, so removing PA is just a
matter of removing all the pa*/pulseaudio*/libpulse* packages
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Rodrigo Moya
On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 16:13 -0300, Gabriel wrote:
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Don't you think that the pulse audio applet (now default in 11.0) is a bit annoying? I mean, with the applet Volume Control you get the volume control slider simply clicking in the icon. With pulse audio, is necessary to open the applet, select volume control, then select the tab output devices and then you are able to modify the volume.
This should be easier.
yes, it probably needs a simple volume widget easily accessible, for the
most simple needs (getting the volume up/down)
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