On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 18:51 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 17:30 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:
- some people mentioned that upstream GNOME will ask distributions to use the upstream GNOME 3 theme, including the background for GNOME 3 (so not for 11.4, but 11.4+1). For reference, this is http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/plain/themes/Adwaita/backg... Yes I find this to be consistent and in fact we should actually support upstream GNOME. My only regard on this is when you see a screenshot of a default desktop we often by the wallpaper can identify
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Vincent Untz
wrote: the distribution, but proving a full GNOME upstream GNOME, we are loosing some visibility as a distro. This isn't actually much of a problem, and if gnome-shell and GNOME can benefit for it, Couldn't distributions just agree to take the 'default' wallpaper and watermark it with their logo [the lizard]? For some background: http://ostatic.com/blog/red-hat-dictates-fedora-15-wallpaper I think the main point is related to the fact that GNOME Project has made a request to distributions to support the launch of GNOME Shell. While there are some distributions that I doubt they will follow this, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
wrote: the most known ones will most likely follow Fedora and do it. Deviating from their request might also be dangerous for us, specially when Novell is the 2nd contributor of GNOME, and if Novell's Community Project (openSUSE?) deviates from it might pass the wrong message. Between consistency and the message issue, I think that breaking consistency is probably less harmful for us. As for your suggestion, it should've been contemplated by the very start by GNOME upstream. I don't think it's nice to ask people to remove downstreamer visibility which is a bit 'anti-natura' given the fact that distributions have a very splitted user base across desktops, which is even worst in the case of openSUSE where KDE is very strong. Your suggestion does provide a more reasonable asset to work, so I would go +1 as long as it doesn't provide any real impact with our relations to upstream GNOME. (PS: I don't like the fact that many will think we're following Fedora, Fedora's role is understandable since according to some stats
I think you *seriously* over-estimate the number of people who know enough to even think such a situation is "following Fedora". What percentage of openSUSE user's track theme decisions made by another distro [and Fedora specifically]. And of the tiny subset that intimate with such decisions to have such a thought there is also a subset of those who care about who is following who. Regarding that remaining set of users - they should get a @*&@#(* life. So I think the flaw is the use of "many" in "the fact that many will think". Substitute that with "s/many/a miserable few/".
I've seen 91% of the lines of code on gnome-shell have came from Red Hat, so their support to gnome-shell is understandable. I wouldn't like to see us as a 'follower' of Red Hat trends. Nevertheless it's maybe a necessary risk for a greater goal, the sucess of gnome-shell, in which we should also place all the available resources and efforts as a GNOME downstreamer.).
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