[New: openFATE 310986] Software Search to arrive at most desirable options
Feature added by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Feature #310986, revision 1 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options openFATE: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) Feature #310986, revision 3 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options - openFATE: Unconfirmed + openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. + Discussion: + #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) + I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point + to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) Feature #310986, revision 4 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important + Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. + #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) + We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", + "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the + logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Feature #310986, revision 5 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? + #3: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2010-12-16 19:23:42) + Thomas. Thanks for the feedback. But before we address this any further. + Please confirm - Which is the preferable search option: 1: + http://software.opensuse.org/search%3Cbr/%3E 2: + http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ For example you mention + 'broadcom' But the results in webpin gives a search result But software. + opensuse shows no results - only a rather un-obvious hint to packman at + the top of the page. IMO, that packman link needs flashing lights on + it. A search for 'ffmpeg' in the two search pages offers differing + results. But again I suggest it point to Packman in the first instance. + 'mplayer' the same issue + I need not go on. In fact webpin offers the better results in most + cases. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) Feature #310986, revision 6 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? #3: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2010-12-16 19:23:42) Thomas. Thanks for the feedback. But before we address this any further. Please confirm - Which is the preferable search option: 1: http://software.opensuse.org/search%3Cbr/%3E 2: http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ For example you mention 'broadcom' But the results in webpin gives a search result But software. opensuse shows no results - only a rather un-obvious hint to packman at the top of the page. IMO, that packman link needs flashing lights on it. A search for 'ffmpeg' in the two search pages offers differing results. But again I suggest it point to Packman in the first instance. 'mplayer' the same issue I need not go on. In fact webpin offers the better results in most cases. + #4: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-02-14 17:53:12) + And should openSUSE:Tumbleweed not be a separate option? Nowadays I get + packages form Tumbleweed if I search on software.opensuse.org after + choosing 11.3. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE% + 3A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Michal Marek (michal-m) Feature #310986, revision 7 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? + #5: Michal Marek (michal-m) (2011-02-15 12:02:55) (reply to #2) + This is great! But could you consider moving the message below the + search box, so that it appears close to the regular results? Maybe it's + just me, but it took me a while until I figured I have to look above + for it. #3: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2010-12-16 19:23:42) Thomas. Thanks for the feedback. But before we address this any further. Please confirm - Which is the preferable search option: 1: http://software.opensuse.org/search%3Cbr/%3E 2: http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ For example you mention 'broadcom' But the results in webpin gives a search result But software. opensuse shows no results - only a rather un-obvious hint to packman at the top of the page. IMO, that packman link needs flashing lights on it. A search for 'ffmpeg' in the two search pages offers differing results. But again I suggest it point to Packman in the first instance. 'mplayer' the same issue I need not go on. In fact webpin offers the better results in most cases. #4: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-02-14 17:53:12) And should openSUSE:Tumbleweed not be a separate option? Nowadays I get packages form Tumbleweed if I search on software.opensuse.org after choosing 11.3. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Christopher Yeleighton (yecril71pl) Feature #310986, revision 10 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? #5: Michal Marek (michal-m) (2011-02-15 12:02:55) (reply to #2) This is great! But could you consider moving the message below the search box, so that it appears close to the regular results? Maybe it's just me, but it took me a while until I figured I have to look above for it. #3: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2010-12-16 19:23:42) Thomas. Thanks for the feedback. But before we address this any further. Please confirm - Which is the preferable search option: 1: http://software.opensuse.org/search%3Cbr/%3E 2: http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ For example you mention 'broadcom' But the results in webpin gives a search result But software. opensuse shows no results - only a rather un-obvious hint to packman at the top of the page. IMO, that packman link needs flashing lights on it. A search for 'ffmpeg' in the two search pages offers differing results. But again I suggest it point to Packman in the first instance. 'mplayer' the same issue I need not go on. In fact webpin offers the better results in most cases. #4: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-02-14 17:53:12) And should openSUSE:Tumbleweed not be a separate option? Nowadays I get packages form Tumbleweed if I search on software.opensuse.org after choosing 11.3. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true + #6: Christopher Yeleighton (yecril71pl) (2011-02-17 18:21:40) + The use or non-use of packages and the ordering of results should + depend on repository priorities. If it is different right now, it is a + bug. (Unknown repositories can have priorities 200+ N , where the value + of N is decided and provided by the community.) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Feature #310986, revision 11 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? #5: Michal Marek (michal-m) (2011-02-15 12:02:55) (reply to #2) This is great! But could you consider moving the message below the search box, so that it appears close to the regular results? Maybe it's just me, but it took me a while until I figured I have to look above for it. #3: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2010-12-16 19:23:42) Thomas. Thanks for the feedback. But before we address this any further. Please confirm - Which is the preferable search option: 1: http://software.opensuse.org/search%3Cbr/%3E 2: http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ For example you mention 'broadcom' But the results in webpin gives a search result But software. opensuse shows no results - only a rather un-obvious hint to packman at the top of the page. IMO, that packman link needs flashing lights on it. A search for 'ffmpeg' in the two search pages offers differing results. But again I suggest it point to Packman in the first instance. 'mplayer' the same issue I need not go on. In fact webpin offers the better results in most cases. #4: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-02-14 17:53:12) And should openSUSE:Tumbleweed not be a separate option? Nowadays I get packages form Tumbleweed if I search on software.opensuse.org after choosing 11.3. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true + #7: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2011-02-18 06:35:39) (reply to #4) + Martin, + This is a fine comment and serves to illustrate my whole point. ATM it + seems like the search is trawling over everything and not filtering the + results (maybe it can't) I have a sneaking suspicion that a more + accurate result will only be possible with a complete rebuild of the + directory structure of OBS (I could be wrong though) But with webpin + and software-search both returning different results, someone needs to + decide which search we should use. My guess is that 'Software-Search' + has the recommendation, but in reality, 'Webpin' usually turns up the + more correct results. #6: Christopher Yeleighton (yecril71pl) (2011-02-17 18:21:40) The use or non-use of packages and the ordering of results should depend on repository priorities. If it is different right now, it is a bug. (Unknown repositories can have priorities 200+ N , where the value of N is decided and provided by the community.) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) Feature #310986, revision 12 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? #5: Michal Marek (michal-m) (2011-02-15 12:02:55) (reply to #2) This is great! But could you consider moving the message below the search box, so that it appears close to the regular results? Maybe it's just me, but it took me a while until I figured I have to look above for it. #3: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2010-12-16 19:23:42) Thomas. Thanks for the feedback. But before we address this any further. Please confirm - Which is the preferable search option: 1: http://software.opensuse.org/search%3Cbr/%3E 2: http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ For example you mention 'broadcom' But the results in webpin gives a search result But software. opensuse shows no results - only a rather un-obvious hint to packman at the top of the page. IMO, that packman link needs flashing lights on it. A search for 'ffmpeg' in the two search pages offers differing results. But again I suggest it point to Packman in the first instance. 'mplayer' the same issue I need not go on. In fact webpin offers the better results in most cases. #4: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-02-14 17:53:12) And should openSUSE:Tumbleweed not be a separate option? Nowadays I get packages form Tumbleweed if I search on software.opensuse.org after choosing 11.3. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true #7: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2011-02-18 06:35:39) (reply to #4) Martin, This is a fine comment and serves to illustrate my whole point. ATM it seems like the search is trawling over everything and not filtering the results (maybe it can't) I have a sneaking suspicion that a more accurate result will only be possible with a complete rebuild of the directory structure of OBS (I could be wrong though) But with webpin and software-search both returning different results, someone needs to decide which search we should use. My guess is that 'Software-Search' has the recommendation, but in reality, 'Webpin' usually turns up the more correct results. #6: Christopher Yeleighton (yecril71pl) (2011-02-17 18:21:40) The use or non-use of packages and the ordering of results should depend on repository priorities. If it is different right now, it is a bug. (Unknown repositories can have priorities 200+ N , where the value of N is decided and provided by the community.) + #8: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-03-07 18:45:09) (reply to + #6) + Thanks Christopher for letting me understand that Software Search a bit more. + Maybe the default Update repositories could be added (with the most + prior priority like 10). This would also be a nice option if a new or + not so experienced user does not know anything of YaST>Software Manager + or just follows the given link in the wiki articles to the Software + Search. + Compare: + http://en.opensuse.org/Opera (http://en.opensuse.org/Opera) + "Download for openSUSE: + * Factory + (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory&exclude_filter=home% + 3A&exclude_debug=true) + * 11.3 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% + 3A11.3&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) + * 11.2 + (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3A11.2&exclude_filter=home% + 3A&exclude_debug=true) + * 11.1 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% + 3A11.1&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) + " + gives for 11.3 -> opera-10.10-1.2.i586.rpm + (http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.3&file=openSUSE% + 3A%2F11.3%3A%2FNonFree%2Fstandard%2Fi586%2Fopera-10.10-1.2.i586. + rpm&query=opera) and so on + The best result for a not experienced user (and the standard to refer + to for a more experienced user) should in my view be from the standard + Update repository like + opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm (http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.3/rpm/i586/opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm) + and so on with a corresponding YMP file. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) Feature #310986, revision 13 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options + Buildservice: Unconfirmed + Priority + Requester: Desirable openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? #5: Michal Marek (michal-m) (2011-02-15 12:02:55) (reply to #2) This is great! But could you consider moving the message below the search box, so that it appears close to the regular results? Maybe it's just me, but it took me a while until I figured I have to look above for it. #3: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2010-12-16 19:23:42) Thomas. Thanks for the feedback. But before we address this any further. Please confirm - Which is the preferable search option: 1: http://software.opensuse.org/search%3Cbr/%3E 2: http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ For example you mention 'broadcom' But the results in webpin gives a search result But software. opensuse shows no results - only a rather un-obvious hint to packman at the top of the page. IMO, that packman link needs flashing lights on it. A search for 'ffmpeg' in the two search pages offers differing results. But again I suggest it point to Packman in the first instance. 'mplayer' the same issue I need not go on. In fact webpin offers the better results in most cases. #4: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-02-14 17:53:12) And should openSUSE:Tumbleweed not be a separate option? Nowadays I get packages form Tumbleweed if I search on software.opensuse.org after choosing 11.3. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true #7: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2011-02-18 06:35:39) (reply to #4) Martin, This is a fine comment and serves to illustrate my whole point. ATM it seems like the search is trawling over everything and not filtering the results (maybe it can't) I have a sneaking suspicion that a more accurate result will only be possible with a complete rebuild of the directory structure of OBS (I could be wrong though) But with webpin and software-search both returning different results, someone needs to decide which search we should use. My guess is that 'Software-Search' has the recommendation, but in reality, 'Webpin' usually turns up the more correct results. #6: Christopher Yeleighton (yecril71pl) (2011-02-17 18:21:40) The use or non-use of packages and the ordering of results should depend on repository priorities. If it is different right now, it is a bug. (Unknown repositories can have priorities 200+ N , where the value of N is decided and provided by the community.) #8: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-03-07 18:45:09) (reply to #6) Thanks Christopher for letting me understand that Software Search a bit more. Maybe the default Update repositories could be added (with the most prior priority like 10). This would also be a nice option if a new or not so experienced user does not know anything of YaST>Software Manager or just follows the given link in the wiki articles to the Software Search. Compare: http://en.opensuse.org/Opera (http://en.opensuse.org/Opera) "Download for openSUSE: * Factory (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory&exclude_filter=home% 3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.3 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.2 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3A11.2&exclude_filter=home% 3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.1 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.1&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) " gives for 11.3 -> opera-10.10-1.2.i586.rpm (http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.3&file=openSUSE% 3A%2F11.3%3A%2FNonFree%2Fstandard%2Fi586%2Fopera-10.10-1.2.i586. rpm&query=opera) and so on The best result for a not experienced user (and the standard to refer to for a more experienced user) should in my view be from the standard Update repository like opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm (http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.3/rpm/i586/opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm) and so on with a corresponding YMP file. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) Feature #310986, revision 14 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options Buildservice: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. + Relations: + - filter package by version on software.opensuse.org (feature/id: + 309485) Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? #5: Michal Marek (michal-m) (2011-02-15 12:02:55) (reply to #2) This is great! But could you consider moving the message below the search box, so that it appears close to the regular results? Maybe it's just me, but it took me a while until I figured I have to look above for it. #3: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2010-12-16 19:23:42) Thomas. Thanks for the feedback. But before we address this any further. Please confirm - Which is the preferable search option: 1: http://software.opensuse.org/search%3Cbr/%3E 2: http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ For example you mention 'broadcom' But the results in webpin gives a search result But software. opensuse shows no results - only a rather un-obvious hint to packman at the top of the page. IMO, that packman link needs flashing lights on it. A search for 'ffmpeg' in the two search pages offers differing results. But again I suggest it point to Packman in the first instance. 'mplayer' the same issue I need not go on. In fact webpin offers the better results in most cases. #4: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-02-14 17:53:12) And should openSUSE:Tumbleweed not be a separate option? Nowadays I get packages form Tumbleweed if I search on software.opensuse.org after choosing 11.3. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true #7: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2011-02-18 06:35:39) (reply to #4) Martin, This is a fine comment and serves to illustrate my whole point. ATM it seems like the search is trawling over everything and not filtering the results (maybe it can't) I have a sneaking suspicion that a more accurate result will only be possible with a complete rebuild of the directory structure of OBS (I could be wrong though) But with webpin and software-search both returning different results, someone needs to decide which search we should use. My guess is that 'Software-Search' has the recommendation, but in reality, 'Webpin' usually turns up the more correct results. #6: Christopher Yeleighton (yecril71pl) (2011-02-17 18:21:40) The use or non-use of packages and the ordering of results should depend on repository priorities. If it is different right now, it is a bug. (Unknown repositories can have priorities 200+ N , where the value of N is decided and provided by the community.) #8: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-03-07 18:45:09) (reply to #6) Thanks Christopher for letting me understand that Software Search a bit more. Maybe the default Update repositories could be added (with the most prior priority like 10). This would also be a nice option if a new or not so experienced user does not know anything of YaST>Software Manager or just follows the given link in the wiki articles to the Software Search. Compare: http://en.opensuse.org/Opera (http://en.opensuse.org/Opera) "Download for openSUSE: * Factory (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory&exclude_filter=home% 3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.3 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.2 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3A11.2&exclude_filter=home% 3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.1 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.1&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) " gives for 11.3 -> opera-10.10-1.2.i586.rpm (http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.3&file=openSUSE% 3A%2F11.3%3A%2FNonFree%2Fstandard%2Fi586%2Fopera-10.10-1.2.i586. rpm&query=opera) and so on The best result for a not experienced user (and the standard to refer to for a more experienced user) should in my view be from the standard Update repository like opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm (http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.3/rpm/i586/opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm) and so on with a corresponding YMP file. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) Feature #310986, revision 15 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options Buildservice: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Relations: - filter package by version on software.opensuse.org (feature/id: 309485) + - Improve http://software.opensuse.org/search, group results, search for + content (feature/id: 313109) Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? #5: Michal Marek (michal-m) (2011-02-15 12:02:55) (reply to #2) This is great! But could you consider moving the message below the search box, so that it appears close to the regular results? Maybe it's just me, but it took me a while until I figured I have to look above for it. #3: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2010-12-16 19:23:42) Thomas. Thanks for the feedback. But before we address this any further. Please confirm - Which is the preferable search option: 1: http://software.opensuse.org/search%3Cbr/%3E 2: http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ For example you mention 'broadcom' But the results in webpin gives a search result But software. opensuse shows no results - only a rather un-obvious hint to packman at the top of the page. IMO, that packman link needs flashing lights on it. A search for 'ffmpeg' in the two search pages offers differing results. But again I suggest it point to Packman in the first instance. 'mplayer' the same issue I need not go on. In fact webpin offers the better results in most cases. #4: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-02-14 17:53:12) And should openSUSE:Tumbleweed not be a separate option? Nowadays I get packages form Tumbleweed if I search on software.opensuse.org after choosing 11.3. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true #7: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2011-02-18 06:35:39) (reply to #4) Martin, This is a fine comment and serves to illustrate my whole point. ATM it seems like the search is trawling over everything and not filtering the results (maybe it can't) I have a sneaking suspicion that a more accurate result will only be possible with a complete rebuild of the directory structure of OBS (I could be wrong though) But with webpin and software-search both returning different results, someone needs to decide which search we should use. My guess is that 'Software-Search' has the recommendation, but in reality, 'Webpin' usually turns up the more correct results. #6: Christopher Yeleighton (yecril71pl) (2011-02-17 18:21:40) The use or non-use of packages and the ordering of results should depend on repository priorities. If it is different right now, it is a bug. (Unknown repositories can have priorities 200+ N , where the value of N is decided and provided by the community.) #8: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-03-07 18:45:09) (reply to #6) Thanks Christopher for letting me understand that Software Search a bit more. Maybe the default Update repositories could be added (with the most prior priority like 10). This would also be a nice option if a new or not so experienced user does not know anything of YaST>Software Manager or just follows the given link in the wiki articles to the Software Search. Compare: http://en.opensuse.org/Opera (http://en.opensuse.org/Opera) "Download for openSUSE: * Factory (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory&exclude_filter=home% 3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.3 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.2 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3A11.2&exclude_filter=home% 3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.1 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.1&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) " gives for 11.3 -> opera-10.10-1.2.i586.rpm (http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.3&file=openSUSE% 3A%2F11.3%3A%2FNonFree%2Fstandard%2Fi586%2Fopera-10.10-1.2.i586. rpm&query=opera) and so on The best result for a not experienced user (and the standard to refer to for a more experienced user) should in my view be from the standard Update repository like opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm (http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.3/rpm/i586/opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm) and so on with a corresponding YMP file. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) Feature #310986, revision 16 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options Buildservice: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Relations: - filter package by version on software.opensuse.org (feature/id: 309485) - Improve http://software.opensuse.org/search, group results, search for content (feature/id: 313109) Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? #5: Michal Marek (michal-m) (2011-02-15 12:02:55) (reply to #2) This is great! But could you consider moving the message below the search box, so that it appears close to the regular results? Maybe it's just me, but it took me a while until I figured I have to look above for it. #3: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2010-12-16 19:23:42) Thomas. Thanks for the feedback. But before we address this any further. Please confirm - Which is the preferable search option: 1: http://software.opensuse.org/search%3Cbr/%3E 2: http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ For example you mention 'broadcom' But the results in webpin gives a search result But software. opensuse shows no results - only a rather un-obvious hint to packman at the top of the page. IMO, that packman link needs flashing lights on it. A search for 'ffmpeg' in the two search pages offers differing results. But again I suggest it point to Packman in the first instance. 'mplayer' the same issue I need not go on. In fact webpin offers the better results in most cases. #4: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-02-14 17:53:12) And should openSUSE:Tumbleweed not be a separate option? Nowadays I get packages form Tumbleweed if I search on software.opensuse.org after choosing 11.3. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true #7: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2011-02-18 06:35:39) (reply to #4) Martin, This is a fine comment and serves to illustrate my whole point. ATM it seems like the search is trawling over everything and not filtering the results (maybe it can't) I have a sneaking suspicion that a more accurate result will only be possible with a complete rebuild of the directory structure of OBS (I could be wrong though) But with webpin and software-search both returning different results, someone needs to decide which search we should use. My guess is that 'Software-Search' has the recommendation, but in reality, 'Webpin' usually turns up the more correct results. #6: Christopher Yeleighton (yecril71pl) (2011-02-17 18:21:40) The use or non-use of packages and the ordering of results should depend on repository priorities. If it is different right now, it is a bug. (Unknown repositories can have priorities 200+ N , where the value of N is decided and provided by the community.) #8: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-03-07 18:45:09) (reply to #6) Thanks Christopher for letting me understand that Software Search a bit more. Maybe the default Update repositories could be added (with the most prior priority like 10). This would also be a nice option if a new or not so experienced user does not know anything of YaST>Software Manager or just follows the given link in the wiki articles to the Software Search. Compare: http://en.opensuse.org/Opera (http://en.opensuse.org/Opera) "Download for openSUSE: * Factory (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory&exclude_filter=home% 3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.3 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.2 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3A11.2&exclude_filter=home% 3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.1 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.1&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) " gives for 11.3 -> opera-10.10-1.2.i586.rpm (http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.3&file=openSUSE% 3A%2F11.3%3A%2FNonFree%2Fstandard%2Fi586%2Fopera-10.10-1.2.i586. rpm&query=opera) and so on The best result for a not experienced user (and the standard to refer to for a more experienced user) should in my view be from the standard Update repository like opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm (http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.3/rpm/i586/opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm) and so on with a corresponding YMP file. + #9: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2012-03-16 08:27:21) + Ping: + [opensuse-buildservice] Reworking the software search + (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2012-03/msg00001.html) started + at Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:05:35 +0100 + [opensuse-buildservice] Reworking the software search, part II + (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2012-03/msg00053.html) stared + at Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:41:26 +0100 + I have not jet read it all but there are discussion about and tests + revamping the software search. So who is interested in this feature + might be interested in the discussion on the mailing list, too. + Regards Martin -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Feature #310986, revision 17 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options Buildservice: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Relations: - filter package by version on software.opensuse.org (feature/id: 309485) - Improve http://software.opensuse.org/search, group results, search for content (feature/id: 313109) Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? #5: Michal Marek (michal-m) (2011-02-15 12:02:55) (reply to #2) This is great! But could you consider moving the message below the search box, so that it appears close to the regular results? Maybe it's just me, but it took me a while until I figured I have to look above for it. #3: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2010-12-16 19:23:42) Thomas. Thanks for the feedback. But before we address this any further. Please confirm - Which is the preferable search option: 1: http://software.opensuse.org/search%3Cbr/%3E 2: http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ For example you mention 'broadcom' But the results in webpin gives a search result But software. opensuse shows no results - only a rather un-obvious hint to packman at the top of the page. IMO, that packman link needs flashing lights on it. A search for 'ffmpeg' in the two search pages offers differing results. But again I suggest it point to Packman in the first instance. 'mplayer' the same issue I need not go on. In fact webpin offers the better results in most cases. #4: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-02-14 17:53:12) And should openSUSE:Tumbleweed not be a separate option? Nowadays I get packages form Tumbleweed if I search on software.opensuse.org after choosing 11.3. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true #7: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2011-02-18 06:35:39) (reply to #4) Martin, This is a fine comment and serves to illustrate my whole point. ATM it seems like the search is trawling over everything and not filtering the results (maybe it can't) I have a sneaking suspicion that a more accurate result will only be possible with a complete rebuild of the directory structure of OBS (I could be wrong though) But with webpin and software-search both returning different results, someone needs to decide which search we should use. My guess is that 'Software-Search' has the recommendation, but in reality, 'Webpin' usually turns up the more correct results. #6: Christopher Yeleighton (yecril71pl) (2011-02-17 18:21:40) The use or non-use of packages and the ordering of results should depend on repository priorities. If it is different right now, it is a bug. (Unknown repositories can have priorities 200+ N , where the value of N is decided and provided by the community.) #8: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-03-07 18:45:09) (reply to #6) Thanks Christopher for letting me understand that Software Search a bit more. Maybe the default Update repositories could be added (with the most prior priority like 10). This would also be a nice option if a new or not so experienced user does not know anything of YaST>Software Manager or just follows the given link in the wiki articles to the Software Search. Compare: http://en.opensuse.org/Opera (http://en.opensuse.org/Opera) "Download for openSUSE: * Factory (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory&exclude_filter=home% 3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.3 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.2 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3A11.2&exclude_filter=home% 3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.1 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.1&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) " gives for 11.3 -> opera-10.10-1.2.i586.rpm (http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.3&file=openSUSE% 3A%2F11.3%3A%2FNonFree%2Fstandard%2Fi586%2Fopera-10.10-1.2.i586. rpm&query=opera) and so on The best result for a not experienced user (and the standard to refer to for a more experienced user) should in my view be from the standard Update repository like opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm (http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.3/rpm/i586/opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm) and so on with a corresponding YMP file. #9: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2012-03-16 08:27:21) Ping: [opensuse-buildservice] Reworking the software search (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2012-03/msg00001.html) started at Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:05:35 +0100 [opensuse-buildservice] Reworking the software search, part II (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2012-03/msg00053.html) stared at Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:41:26 +0100 I have not jet read it all but there are discussion about and tests revamping the software search. So who is interested in this feature might be interested in the discussion on the mailing list, too. Regards Martin + #10: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2012-03-16 19:27:35) (reply to #9) + Yes Martin I see that too. Hopefully we'll see some improvement. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
Feature changed by: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) Feature #310986, revision 18 Title: Software Search to arrive at most desirable options - Buildservice: Unconfirmed + Buildservice: Done Priority Requester: Desirable - openSUSE Infrastructure: Unconfirmed + openSUSE Infrastructure: Done Priority Requester: Important Info Provider: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Requested by: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently the Software Search and or Webpin results in a plethora of choices, most of which are less than desirable. Ideally, search results should First offer the most stable and or suitable packages. For example. If a user comes along and searches for 'VLC' They are offered a host of unstable options. Everyone knows that 'VLC' should come from Packman. If we can't refer directly to Packman, it should be possible to link to a multi-media giuide. I'm going to guess this could be difficult. But it must be possible to flag searches by keywords to redirect to the most likely solution, but with an option to continue to search anyway. Relations: - filter package by version on software.opensuse.org (feature/id: 309485) - Improve http://software.opensuse.org/search, group results, search for content (feature/id: 313109) Test Case: Open here: http://software.opensuse.org/search and search: vlc Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Avoid new user use of unstable or unsuitable repos. We should be directing to the most suitable or most likely suitable solution. At the moment it's very random. Discussion: #1: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 09:29:00) I already thought of adding notifications based on keywords that point to the right download pages for example packman, nvidia etc. #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2010-12-16 18:19:16) We added some default notifications now for "nvidia", "broadcom", "google earth". Which were the most failing searches according to the logs. Could you provide more helping texts for specific search terms? #5: Michal Marek (michal-m) (2011-02-15 12:02:55) (reply to #2) This is great! But could you consider moving the message below the search box, so that it appears close to the regular results? Maybe it's just me, but it took me a while until I figured I have to look above for it. #3: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2010-12-16 19:23:42) Thomas. Thanks for the feedback. But before we address this any further. Please confirm - Which is the preferable search option: 1: http://software.opensuse.org/search%3Cbr/%3E 2: http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ For example you mention 'broadcom' But the results in webpin gives a search result But software. opensuse shows no results - only a rather un-obvious hint to packman at the top of the page. IMO, that packman link needs flashing lights on it. A search for 'ffmpeg' in the two search pages offers differing results. But again I suggest it point to Packman in the first instance. 'mplayer' the same issue I need not go on. In fact webpin offers the better results in most cases. #4: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-02-14 17:53:12) And should openSUSE:Tumbleweed not be a separate option? Nowadays I get packages form Tumbleweed if I search on software.opensuse.org after choosing 11.3. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true #7: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2011-02-18 06:35:39) (reply to #4) Martin, This is a fine comment and serves to illustrate my whole point. ATM it seems like the search is trawling over everything and not filtering the results (maybe it can't) I have a sneaking suspicion that a more accurate result will only be possible with a complete rebuild of the directory structure of OBS (I could be wrong though) But with webpin and software-search both returning different results, someone needs to decide which search we should use. My guess is that 'Software-Search' has the recommendation, but in reality, 'Webpin' usually turns up the more correct results. #6: Christopher Yeleighton (yecril71pl) (2011-02-17 18:21:40) The use or non-use of packages and the ordering of results should depend on repository priorities. If it is different right now, it is a bug. (Unknown repositories can have priorities 200+ N , where the value of N is decided and provided by the community.) #8: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2011-03-07 18:45:09) (reply to #6) Thanks Christopher for letting me understand that Software Search a bit more. Maybe the default Update repositories could be added (with the most prior priority like 10). This would also be a nice option if a new or not so experienced user does not know anything of YaST>Software Manager or just follows the given link in the wiki articles to the Software Search. Compare: http://en.opensuse.org/Opera (http://en.opensuse.org/Opera) "Download for openSUSE: * Factory (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory&exclude_filter=home% 3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.3 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.3&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.2 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE%3A11.2&exclude_filter=home% 3A&exclude_debug=true) * 11.1 (http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=Opera&baseproject=openSUSE% 3A11.1&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true) " gives for 11.3 -> opera-10.10-1.2.i586.rpm (http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.3&file=openSUSE% 3A%2F11.3%3A%2FNonFree%2Fstandard%2Fi586%2Fopera-10.10-1.2.i586. rpm&query=opera) and so on The best result for a not experienced user (and the standard to refer to for a more experienced user) should in my view be from the standard Update repository like opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm (http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.3/rpm/i586/opera-11.01-1.2.1.i586.rpm) and so on with a corresponding YMP file. #9: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2012-03-16 08:27:21) Ping: [opensuse-buildservice] Reworking the software search (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2012-03/msg00001.html) started at Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:05:35 +0100 [opensuse-buildservice] Reworking the software search, part II (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2012-03/msg00053.html) stared at Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:41:26 +0100 I have not jet read it all but there are discussion about and tests revamping the software search. So who is interested in this feature might be interested in the discussion on the mailing list, too. Regards Martin #10: Carl Fletcher (caf4926) (2012-03-16 19:27:35) (reply to #9) Yes Martin I see that too. Hopefully we'll see some improvement. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310986
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