Feature changed by: Sławomir Lach (Lachu) Feature #305664, revision 45 Title: Server CD openSUSE-11.2: Rejected Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Neutral openSUSE-11.4: New Priority Requester: Mandatory Requested by: Martin Schlander (cb400f) Product Manager: (Novell) Project Manager: (Novell) Engineering Manager: (Novell) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Providing an official openSUSE server cd - with some often used server software - and perhaps a lightweight window manager like icewm or similar - would be a great thing for a number of reasons. * openSUSE is generally considered a desktop centric distribution, providing a server cd would do a heck of a lot to highligt the excellent (home-)server qualities of openSUSE. * The few people that realize that the openSUSE DVD/netinstall actually offers text mode/server installation, are often discouraged by needing to download a full DVD, or do troublesome and slow http/ftp installation. * Server users are generally more technical people, it would be beneficial to attract more of these to the openSUSE project. * More people using openSUSE on home servers would likely have spill- over effects on SLES sales. * An openSUSE server cd, would be an excellent response to Ubuntu server edition and Microsoft Home Server. Discussion: #1: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-01-16 16:20:09) Please Market as Server and Virtualisation CD. An option to simple install as guest OS would have market appeal. As someone who does use Netinstall CD on occasion, and consider a distro for SOHO servers, a key point for this sector is a reliable upgrade, without re- installation. Ubuntu offers LTS and point updates for their server edition. It's not just the availability of a CD that makes them attractive. #2: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-01-16 16:23:54) (reply to #1) A tuned version for Virtualised hardware not just 'badge' engineering was my intention. Making things simple and quick for folk in a hurry on Other OSes, would help build market share. #3: Birger Kollstrand (mrkane) (2009-03-09 15:22:51) I like the idea. It would be good to have a new openSUSE Server edition with the forthcomming YaST WEB managment tool in 11.2 I'd also love to see that this server has a "Home" focus. Make it easier for everyone to rune a openSUSE "Home" ser ver on a PC or an embedded NAS or similar. #4: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-03-09 16:00:12) Who wants to maintain that edition? Who wants to define that edition? #5: Unknown User (fate_noreply) (2009-03-09 17:05:05) Seems a good idea to me too. I found by chance some info on Windows Home Server, and I was wondering if it would be possible to do something similar with openSUSE. The discussion was started here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2009-03/msg00141.html Let's see how it evolves ;-) #6: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2009-06-05 15:12:38) Hmm, its challenging for a feature request if even the requester rates it just desirable. From the voting and my understanding I thinkt that's a thing which should be considered. But as coolo already mentioned, who will maintain it, who will define it? Do we have a server edition already in the OBS? #7: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-06-09 12:19:28) still looking for maintainer #8: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2009-07-01 23:19:50) #opensuse-server has been created to hopefully build a community around this #9: Luc de Louw (delouw) (2009-07-12 14:35:48) IHMO this is not needed. On install just choose "minimal installation" (somthing like this) as package group and install any needed packes afterwards. If you got your custom selection just save it or clone the system with autoyast. As Coolo outlines: There must be a maintainer for this. If some persons (more than one person please) volunteers, why not. #14: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-11-12 11:46:41) (reply to #9) The point would be to make a faster more efficient install, for those who aren't familiar with SuSE ways of doing things. It takes a while to understand and appreciate YaST, and they will often be too rushed to figure out how to do the selections The Server CD could use images like the desktop's have to create faster, say a LAMP server, file & print server, to reduce clicks to get something useful. #15: Andras Dosztal (adosztal) (2010-09-26 09:52:23) (reply to #14) YaST has patterns for these servers, and it's easy to find during the installation. If you want specialized servers, SUSE Gallery has many great images for it, ex.: http://susegallery.com/search?q=lamp #10: George Pantazis (gpant) (2009-07-12 22:41:02) When I voted for this feature I thought this was about a Home Server in the same league as Windows Home Server. People that are going to install it on a real server would use a netinstall or a special build through studio, they wouldnt care much about a text only CD. It would be interesting if this FATE had the goal to create something like WHS that would use a lightweight WM, a special YaST Module that will be easier to use by people that are not technical and would utilize the new http access to YaST. It would require that most of the YaST modules would have to hide the more advanced features (under a Advanced Features tab?:-) and even provide new modules with functionality specific to Home Servers for example setup Mediatomb and Gallery2. #11: wilson coronado barrantes (wecb_xxx) (2009-08-04 19:31:20) I really feel uncomfortable with ubuntu server(i prefer opensuse is more robust and easy to manage, i feel opensuse is more like a linux server with a desktop on top), but we have to choose it because for 2 reason's: firts LTS and second is more more easy to install because is more easy to get a cd than a DVD. Opensuse must have a cd server. #13: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-11-12 11:38:54) (reply to #11) There are Net Install CD's only 100 or 150 MiB, which lets you only download what you use, you don't need DVD to have the full install options. #12: Raimo Schmidt (raimoschmidt) (2009-08-18 07:35:06) Great Idea. If SUSE will have Server, developers will be able to imcrease attention to Server Functions Such is MS AD integration (I mean let SUSE Server be your Windows domain controller) Also LTS will be good point for certifications in some countries #16: Michal Papis (mpapis) (2010-12-12 02:28:19) (reply to #12) LTS + server edition, how much I miss it, on linode.com, they already stoped givving newest opensuse, all you can find is ubuntu server edition ... + #17: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-12 15:03:01) + Not better to do some stuff like netinstall, but as an application to + prepare DVDs/CDs to install system? + As Wubi or LiveSystem, which prepare disk image to burn onto drive and + install on another computer. We could handle some differences/spins(I + know, that OpenSUSE now supported some spins) with configuration for + this program. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305664