Feature changed by: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) Feature #307496, revision 8 Title: return to having no default desktop environment openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Michael Löffler (michl19) reject date: 2009-08-24 12:07:53 reject reason: we shouldn't discuss things endless Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Christian Jäger (eet) Description: The recent decision that openSUSE needs a default desktop environment must be reverted. * This decision has lead to frictions between the openSUSE sub- communities of GNOME and KDE users which might ultimately result in a drain of supporters of one of these sub-communities to a different distribution. * A default choice during installation gives the wrong impression that even now openSUSE chiefly supports the defaulted desktop environment while the other one is to be used 'at one's own risk' * This decision has acutely affected openSUSE's position as the only distribution which credibly supports both desktop environment * The gains to be had through a 'default desktop environment' are minor to zero, the potential loss and damage to community caused by it is catastrophic Discussion: #1: Sankar P (psankar) (2009-08-24 10:27:26) I fully support this scenario. But a minority of community memebrs assuming that their biased opinion is what is liked by the user is wrong. The current decision to have KDE as default will drive away a lot of distro-neutral Gnome people from giving away openSUSE DVDs for linux talks. etc. However, enough time has been wasted in all these discussions that I feel no use in prolonging this thread any further, if the decision is immutable. #2: David Hodgson (jetojedno) (2009-08-24 11:51:59) The default benefits the new users, and doesn't harm anyone else. Why should this decision be revisited? #3: Christian Jäger (eet) (2009-08-24 12:19:45) Note that this is a request for 11.3, not for 11.2 which has been decided to default to KDE. So, I don't understand that this feature request should be rejected. #4: Tomi Justen (letkume) (2009-08-24 15:47:02) The choises are: 1. Credible and professional well supported KDE distro 2. Just anothet newbie Gnome distro 3. Scattered not-so-well supported blob of everything + #5: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) (2009-08-25 02:20:24) + The best application is criteria that should be followed, not the + desktop. I'm against going back to "no preselection", as it is + directly opposite to being helpful to new users. The majority + of distros that I ever installed makes this particular decision without + asking user and without giving a chance to install another desktop. Why + is it a problem when openSUSE goes from layout that can be perceived as + yet another problem by many new users, to layout that gives some + guidance? + Besides the guidance/default is defined as what majority of openSUSE + users is using, so it can change in the future without lenghty + discussions. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307496