Linux prevents successful Windows boot?

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Ulrich Windl

2 Mar 2006 2 Mar '06

07:13

Hi, I came across a very strange problem, which I'll describe like this: On a new machine with Nvidia Nforce4 chipset, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (dual core), and a SATA2-2 disk Windows/XP stops booting after _significant_ harddisk IO (as from the perspective of the HD LED). "Stops" means the rotating progress bar freezes after some time, and I#ll have to press reset. Now what's interesting: It only happens when I had booted Linux before. I can only suspect that it's either related to Linux doing something with the SATA controller that BIOS & Windows don't undo, or it is the activation of the second core of the CPU that makes Windows freeze on boot, or whatever. Windows event log is reporting "disk" errors after a successful boot then My BIOS is completely up to date. What makes things worse is the fact that neither hdparam nor smartctl seems to work with SATA (only tried 10.0). Any progress in thios area? Any ideas what the reason of the problems could be, or what to do against it? It's bit annoying. Please no suggestions like "remove Windows". Regards, Ulrich

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Jeffrey L. Taylor

5 Mar 5 Mar

00:19

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Quoting Ulrich Windl :

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Hi,

I came across a very strange problem, which I'll describe like this: On a new machine with Nvidia Nforce4 chipset, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (dual core), and a SATA2-2 disk Windows/XP stops booting after _significant_ harddisk IO (as from the perspective of the HD LED). "Stops" means the rotating progress bar freezes after some time, and I#ll have to press reset.

Now what's interesting: It only happens when I had booted Linux before. I can only suspect that it's either related to Linux doing something with the SATA controller that BIOS & Windows don't undo, or it is the activation of the second core of the CPU that makes Windows freeze on boot, or whatever.

Windows event log is reporting "disk" errors after a successful boot then

My BIOS is completely up to date.

What makes things worse is the fact that neither hdparam nor smartctl seems to work with SATA (only tried 10.0). Any progress in thios area?

Any ideas what the reason of the problems could be, or what to do against it? It's bit annoying.

Please no suggestions like "remove Windows".

Are you switching OSs while one or both are in hibernate/suspend? It seems like you should be able to do this, but I had to re-install Windows XP four times and fix filesystem corruption on Linux from the rescue disk twice in a 1-2 month period while switch OS during hibernate/suspend to disk. The problem has not happened once in the 6+ months since I starting always doing full shutdowns before switching OS. HTH, Jeffrey

Ulrich Windl

6 Mar 6 Mar

08:04

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On 4 Mar 2006 at 18:19, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

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Quoting Ulrich Windl :

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Hi,

I came across a very strange problem, which I'll describe like this: On a new machine with Nvidia Nforce4 chipset, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (dual core), and a SATA2-2 disk Windows/XP stops booting after _significant_ harddisk IO (as from the perspective of the HD LED). "Stops" means the rotating progress bar freezes after some time, and I#ll have to press reset.

Now what's interesting: It only happens when I had booted Linux before. I can only suspect that it's either related to Linux doing something with the SATA controller that BIOS & Windows don't undo, or it is the activation of the second core of the CPU that makes Windows freeze on boot, or whatever.

Windows event log is reporting "disk" errors after a successful boot then

My BIOS is completely up to date.

What makes things worse is the fact that neither hdparam nor smartctl seems to work with SATA (only tried 10.0). Any progress in thios area?

Any ideas what the reason of the problems could be, or what to do against it? It's bit annoying.

Please no suggestions like "remove Windows".

Are you switching OSs while one or both are in hibernate/suspend? It

No, not that I could remember. Also I found out that resume from LVM swap doesn't work anyway (in 10.0).

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seems like you should be able to do this, but I had to re-install Windows XP four times and fix filesystem corruption on Linux from the rescue disk twice in a 1-2 month period while switch OS during hibernate/suspend to disk. The problem has not happened once in the

You were not sharing the Windows swap file with Linux, were you? ;-)

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6+ months since I starting always doing full shutdowns before switching OS.

I'd be surprised if Windows/XP would swap outside its partitions (just as I'd be surprised if Linux did). After all, it wouldn't explain why a boot after power on or after hardware reset always succeeds. Regards, Ulrich

Jeffrey L. Taylor

15:55

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Quoting Ulrich Windl : [snip]

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seems like you should be able to do this, but I had to re-install Windows XP four times and fix filesystem corruption on Linux from the rescue disk twice in a 1-2 month period while switch OS during hibernate/suspend to disk. The problem has not happened once in the

You were not sharing the Windows swap file with Linux, were you? ;-)

No. Linux has its own swap partition.

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6+ months since I starting always doing full shutdowns before switching OS.

I'd be surprised if Windows/XP would swap outside its partitions (just as I'd be surprised if Linux did). After all, it wouldn't explain why a boot after power on or after hardware reset always succeeds.

This sounds similar, but not identical to my problem. It appears one or both OSs are saving or assuming some hardware state persists across hard and/or soft boots. Or the opposite, assuming a hard/soft boot resets some hardware state that it doesn't. It doesn't surprise me with Windows, Microsoft frequently acts as if there were no one else in the world but them, but they are improving. Linux, in my experience, plays better with others. But the evidence to the contrary is sufficiently convincing to me to not switch OS while suspended to disk. Jeffrey

houghi

19:46

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On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 09:55:16AM -0600, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

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Quoting Ulrich Windl : [snip]

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seems like you should be able to do this, but I had to re-install Windows XP four times and fix filesystem corruption on Linux from the rescue disk twice in a 1-2 month period while switch OS during hibernate/suspend to disk. The problem has not happened once in the

You were not sharing the Windows swap file with Linux, were you? ;-)

No. Linux has its own swap partition.

That should not be a problem: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Swap-Space.html houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

Jeffrey L. Taylor

22:03

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Quoting houghi :

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On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 09:55:16AM -0600, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

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Quoting Ulrich Windl : [snip]

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seems like you should be able to do this, but I had to re-install Windows XP four times and fix filesystem corruption on Linux from the rescue disk twice in a 1-2 month period while switch OS during hibernate/suspend to disk. The problem has not happened once in the

You were not sharing the Windows swap file with Linux, were you? ;-)

No. Linux has its own swap partition.

That should not be a problem: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Swap-Space.html

This mini-HOWTO is old and almost certainly predates suspend to swap. I doubt that this will work if you suspend to swap in Linux. Jeffrey

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