[opensuse-factory] What is Yast/ZEN doing with so much info?
Goodday, I write to the factory list cause this are factory matters, and I do not have the knowledge to know if this are bugs (I guess not) and I really like some shining light in this case. I've got the latest stuff from Factory and of course, I gonna try ZEN/zypp/YaST. Therefore I add Factory again with 'yast2 inst_source'. There is a HUGE improvement with a progress-bar that is on this moment for each task a 0-100 bar. I hope it will change to 1 total 0-100 bar and text-refreshment about what is going on. But that is just a wish. Seeing what YaST is doing, I was confused. It starts with downloading many .pat-files. For each platform! Not only i386/i586 but also x64 and pcc. I will never use those things I guess on an i586-system so why are the downloaded? I guess there is a good reason for cause the ZEN/YaST-stuff has been many times under the microscope. But could somebody explain it to me? In the same category: Downloading all description translations. (or at least DU, CZ an EN). I guess YaST can recognize that I use Dutch and English packages only and it won't show me any German info so why is it downloaded? Otherwise, would be a very nice option :P In another category: I thought that Yast inst_sources would only need 1 screen since that seems the policy (that I like). The new progressbar however, is a new screen. ps. Welcome to beta everybody!!!!! (looking at the agreement) pps. It works! ZEN did not complain and I can see it in the servicelist! pps. + 20 points for the team that made it work and listens to the wishes :D (maybe they can talk to the copiz-team, they are forked for too less communication and not listening to wishes I heard) pppps. Please vote: You can not set refresh enabled in YaST. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204957 Azerion --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Azerion schrieb:
Seeing what YaST is doing, I was confused. It starts with downloading many .pat-files. For each platform! Not only i386/i586 but also x64 and pcc. I will never use those things I guess on an i586-system so why are the downloaded? I guess there is a good reason for cause the ZEN/YaST-stuff has been many times under the microscope. But could somebody explain it to me?
This cannot be a desired feature. I guess it's rather a "rough edge" or maybe people are concentrating efforts on "real" functionality defects right now. Consider reporting this as a bug with severity "Enhancement" (there is no functionality defect and the files are small, but anyway, downloading these files is unnecessary => The package manager can be enhanced by not downloading them).
In the same category: Downloading all description translations. (or at least DU, CZ an EN). I guess YaST can recognize that I use Dutch and English packages only and it won't show me any German info so why is it downloaded? Otherwise, would be a very nice option :P
Yes. packages.DU is not a translation file, it contains disk usage information about the packages. YaST uses this in order to determine whether a package is installable. The package size alone is not sufficient for complex partitioning setups. The other packages.XX files are translations. I don't know why all of them are downloaded, but IIRC - correct me if I'm wrong - they were not with the old yast2-packagemanager. Andreas Hanke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Dňa Št 21. September 2006 17:57 Azerion napísal:
Goodday,
I write to the factory list cause this are factory matters, and I do not have the knowledge to know if this are bugs (I guess not) and I really like some shining light in this case.
I've got the latest stuff from Factory and of course, I gonna try ZEN/zypp/YaST. Therefore I add Factory again with 'yast2 inst_source'. There is a HUGE improvement with a progress-bar that is on this moment for each task a 0-100 bar. I hope it will change to 1 total 0-100 bar and text-refreshment about what is going on. But that is just a wish.
Feel free to file an enhancement request with a description how it should behave. This is the first rough implementation.
Seeing what YaST is doing, I was confused. It starts with downloading many .pat-files. For each platform! Not only i386/i586 but also x64 and pcc. I will never use those things I guess on an i586-system so why are the downloaded? I guess there is a good reason for cause the ZEN/YaST-stuff has been many times under the microscope. But could somebody explain it to me?
ZYPP is creating a full cache of all metadata available to be able working without the network connection afterwards. Optimizing this behavior might be a good idea.
In the same category: Downloading all description translations. (or at least DU, CZ an EN). I guess YaST can recognize that I use Dutch and English packages only and it won't show me any German info so why is it downloaded? Otherwise, would be a very nice option :P
Because you might change the language of the system. Thus, the translations are downloaded into the cache. Would it be better if the system uses just english if you changed the language and there is no possibility to get the translations? Or ask for CD to get the right file?
In another category: I thought that Yast inst_sources would only need 1 screen since that seems the policy (that I like). The new progressbar however, is a new screen.
What do you mean by 'a new screen' and 'the policy'? Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Op woensdag 27 september 2006 09:04, schreef Stanislav Visnovsky:
Dňa Št 21. September 2006 17:57 Azerion napísal:
Goodday,
I write to the factory list cause this are factory matters, and I do not have the knowledge to know if this are bugs (I guess not) and I really like some shining light in this case.
I've got the latest stuff from Factory and of course, I gonna try ZEN/zypp/YaST. Therefore I add Factory again with 'yast2 inst_source'. There is a HUGE improvement with a progress-bar that is on this moment for each task a 0-100 bar. I hope it will change to 1 total 0-100 bar and text-refreshment about what is going on. But that is just a wish.
Feel free to file an enhancement request with a description how it should behave. This is the first rough implementation.
Will file one.
Seeing what YaST is doing, I was confused. It starts with downloading many .pat-files. For each platform! Not only i386/i586 but also x64 and pcc. I will never use those things I guess on an i586-system so why are the downloaded? I guess there is a good reason for cause the ZEN/YaST-stuff has been many times under the microscope. But could somebody explain it to me?
ZYPP is creating a full cache of all metadata available to be able working without the network connection afterwards.
For the case that you change processortype but don't have a connection to update the meta-info? Or do I not understand you correct?
Optimizing this behavior might be a good idea.
In the same category: Downloading all description translations. (or at least DU, CZ an EN). I guess YaST can recognize that I use Dutch and English packages only and it won't show me any German info so why is it downloaded? Otherwise, would be a very nice option :P
Because you might change the language of the system. Thus, the translations are downloaded into the cache. Would it be better if the system uses just english if you changed the language and there is no possibility to get the translations? Or ask for CD to get the right file?
Yes, that is better. Ask for the CD, make an option to ignore and use English and as soon there is an connection and YaST/ZEN is strated it can download the translation. It's a waste of time to do that for each language every time.
In another category: I thought that Yast inst_sources would only need 1 screen since that seems the policy (that I like). The new progressbar however, is a new screen.
What do you mean by 'a new screen' and 'the policy'?
The new Yast inst_source uses only one window for adding sources. Using the options (radio's) and next-button. Before 10.2 it was done by a pop-up. See the difference with 10.1. But the only thing that uses an new window is the progress-bar. I think that should be displayed in the same window. consludion: new screen = new pop-up window policy = use only one window for adding a source
Stano
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Bugzilla reports: 208451 YaST: replace 'progressbar by task' with 'progressbar in ... 208452 YaST: do not download (as default) all architectures meta... 208457 YaST: Download only English and Local translation 208461 YaST: other (better) ways to add installation sources Looks to me I splitted all things in a good manner this way. Azerion --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Dňa St 27. September 2006 16:32 Azerion napísal:
Bugzilla reports:
208451 YaST: replace 'progressbar by task' with 'progressbar in ... 208452 YaST: do not download (as default) all architectures meta... 208457 YaST: Download only English and Local translation 208461 YaST: other (better) ways to add installation sources
Looks to me I splitted all things in a good manner this way.
Thanks a lot! Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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