* denisart benjamin2 [2014-03-22 15:58]:

Le 22/03/2014 15:54, Stefan Seyfried a écrit : There is an alternative way. The MATE team will introduce as soon as possible blueman which is platform-agnostic. I think it's a better alternative than softwares you're talking about.

Regards. Benjamin

PS: blueman is in active development again with some features like gobject port and others

It still does not support BLueZ 5, so currently it is not useful in openSUSE. Also I'm not sure stuff like https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman/commit/724aa75296ce03f2f453a06945... would make it past legal review. Is mate-bluetooth still being developed and ported to BlueZ 5? -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 22.03.2014 21:49, schrieb Malcolm:

On Sat 22 Mar 2014 09:26:33 PM CDT, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Just to say that you people should add to the distribution something that works on all desktops, whatever it is :-)

Who is 'you people'?

If you want something added that works, build, submit and maintain it...

I already built it. But Carlos could of course test it... I'm trying to address exactly his complaints. But instead of just installing the package and testing if it helps... -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 22.03.2014 22:32, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

On 2014-03-22 21:54, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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I already built it. But Carlos could of course test it... I'm trying to address exactly his complaints. But instead of just installing the package and testing if it helps...

Yes, I agree.

I would like to test it, but I don't have factory currently installed.

Did you actually read my initial mail? EOD, no need to spam everyone here with useless mails. Let's rather concentrate at the people wanting to help solve the problem. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Maybe a stupid question: What should it do? I installed it and run "bluetooth-applet". Should it go into the systray? At least in xfce-panel it doesn't. 2014-03-22 23:45 GMT+02:00 Carlos E. R. :

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On 2014-03-22 22:34, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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Did you actually read my initial mail?

Yes, I did. Of course I read it.

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EOD, no need to spam everyone here with useless mails. Let's rather concentrate at the people wanting to help solve the problem.

Sorry, I don't understand this. :-?

I simply said that I like your initiative, and why.

And also that I would like to try what you propose, but I'm unfortunately incapable of doing it. I'll keep trying. And this is not your fault, so please do not get angry at me.

- -- Cheers / Saludos,

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Oops. Seems the bluetooth dongle doesn't work when connected to front ports... It works now. 2014-03-23 3:08 GMT+02:00 Stefan Seyfried :

Am 23.03.2014 01:08, schrieb Damian Ivanov:

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Maybe a stupid question: What should it do? I installed it and run "bluetooth-applet". Should it go into the systray?

yes, it should.

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At least in xfce-panel it doesn't.

It does for me. Do you have a bluetooth adapter in your machine? Maybe it only shows up if an adapter is present? Any messages on the terminal you launched it from?

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2014-03-22 23:45 GMT+02:00 Carlos E. R. : On 2014-03-22 22:34, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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Did you actually read my initial mail?

Yes, I did. Of course I read it.

Then you could have noticed, that I build it for 13.1 and Factory (for older versions, the included GNOME is too old).

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And also that I would like to try what you propose, but I'm unfortunately incapable of doing it. I'll keep trying. And this is not your fault, so please do not get angry at me.

Just install the package. Cannot be *that* hard, can it? -- Stefan Seyfried

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-23 03:17, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2014-03-23 02:08, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

Of course, I will do it. Tomorrow, it is 3 AM here.

As promised, I'm testing it right now (13.1) I installed it, then tried "add applet" to the panel. Did not see it. So I logged out, back in. Same thing. Well, perhaps, that's not the way to do it. So I plugged in my USB-BT dongle, and then I suddenly noticed the BT applet in the XFCE panel. Good! I clicked on it, and noticed that the old configuration (from 12.3?) with my mobile phone is still there. So I, went ahead and tried to directly send a file to my cell phone. Feeling adventurous. Failed. "GDBus.Error:org.bluez.obex.Error.Failed: connect error: Connection refused (111). If on the menu I select "connect", it apparently connects (the identifier and name are correct). But my mobile phone says nothing. If I tell by phone to search for devices, it finds none. Well, maybe I should try deleting the config and try pairing it - if they are paired now, it was done on another life. Huh... removing a device is not obvious. How to do it? Ah! the "-" sign below the list in the config dialog. Then I click now on "+" to add a device. It finds my phone. I select it, click "continue". I get a prompt on the cell phone to pair and accept the pin (I do not have to type it, I see it already displayed). I accept pairing on both sides. I try sending a file. I get a notification on the phone, but I do not get a place to click on accept. It takes 20 seconds on the phone to get it. Finally, I get a prompt to accept the file, it is transferred, and... what? I get a "SD card error" on the phone. I don't understand, the card is connected and accessible on the phone. I try the other direction, phone to computer. On the list of the bluetooth connections, the mobile phone lists the computer as "multimedia audio". I try sending anyway. I get no further message on the cell-phone, nor on the computer. I do not know if anything was transferred. I try "send" from computer: now I get a time out. I disconnect/connect again. Now the computer is not listed as "multimedia". However, same result, nothing is apparently transferred, unless it goes automatically to some folder I know nothing about. I try again computer to phone: time out. The menu shows the phone as disconnected. I try to connect several times more: failure. The phone now shows disconnected and can not be reconnected. I click on turn off bluetooth, then back on. Try to connect to phone... same result. I set computer to visible. I disconnect BT on phone, then connect it. The computer displays as "vinculated" on the phone. I click on the phone side to connect. Fails. I unplug the USB-BT dongle. Applet disappears. I plug it back. Applet reappears. Click on it to connect to phone. Pulse audio config shows a new device: my phone (High Fidelity Capture (A2DP Source). Indeed, if I play a video on my phone, it plays through the computer speakers... (listed under the "output devices" tab). Sigh. Not what I wanted at all. I try again to send a file to the phone... failure (GDBus.Error:org.bluez.obex.Error.Failed: Timed out waiting for response). Sound from the phone remains connected. I try then with Gnome on my laptop. I have 3 USB-BT dongles of the same model (one I can not find), so I plug a different one on the laptop. However, I can not tell Gnome to turn it on. It goes on for a few seconds, then goes off again. The mobile phone does see my laptop, but can not "vinculate" to it (I see "vincular a este dispositivo", in Spanish: I do not know the correct English words for this). "hcitool scan" on the laptop finds my cell phone. I do not know what is wrong with gnome on the laptop, but I hoped to compare the behaviour there with XFCE on the desktop, to find out if I can transfer files. I will have to log out in the desktop (XFCE) and log back in, using gnome instead. Sigh. Wait. [...] As soon as I start gnome in the desktop, I get a prompt on the phone, requesting to synchronize contacts. I get the prompt a second time when I start Thunderbird, but it disappeared when I was ready to copy it here. I do not know what program does it. I got it a third time. Tried to get the phone to do a screenshot, timeout again, I did not remember the keycombo for screenshots fast enough. It wants my history of phone calls, it seems. I do not see a drop-down menu on the top-right corner of Gnome that displays "bluetooth", contrary to the laptop, despite both having the same software versions. However, I do get a "tool" icon, and clicking there I get an "All settings" window. There is "bluetooth" on it. If I click on it, I see something very similar, perhaps the exact same thing, as I got in XFCE with your applet. Selecting my phone, I see the possibility to send files, so I try. Nope, timeout error. I think this is your applet, not the native gnome thing. Could they be interfering? Got a screen capture from the prompt on the phone to read my phone list, finally. I'll copy the text later. I'm not familiar with the current Gnome, which is why I use XFCE instead. I do not see a bluetooth menu from the top-right, contrary to what I get on my laptop, so I don't know what to do. Perhaps try with a new user... Switch user fails. I have to log out instead. Wait. [...] Ok, tried a totally new user with Gnome. I do not get the native gnome bluetooth thing, as in the laptop, but your applet, and only inside the settings dialog. And it fails to transfer files. I do get a notification on the phone that says (translated from Spanish): +++············· "PBAP request" Allow computername access to the phonebook (word is clipped, so it is unsure which one it wants). ·············++- Clicking on it, I get a dialog that says (translated from Spanish): +++············· (i) Access to the phone book computername wants to access to your contacts and your phone call history. Do you want to allow access from computername? [V] Allow always. [Accept] [Cancel] ·············++- If I accept it, I get the same prompt perhaps 3 minutes later, which means that it failed to transfer anything. Well... that's all it occurs me to test. As you can see, I can do throughout tests. I do it often, it is one of the ways I contribute. I spent about two hours on it. I was not idle talking nor spamming :-) HTH. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlMu4owACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XlwgCglX8r7v9JBUlWlfkXZbxYHkJi Y04AnjhY8DnY6JsNVsxSy7QgjTxXoeuX =pWBT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 23.03.2014 17:41, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

On 2014-03-23 14:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Ok, tried a totally new user with Gnome. I do not get the native gnome bluetooth thing, as in the laptop, but your applet, and only inside the settings dialog. And it fails to transfer files.

If it doesn't work from GNOME, it's unlikely it will work with gnome-bluetooth-applet, as the latter is only a frontend to the GNOME bluetooth infrastructure. I never use Bluetooth for filetransfer, but I just tried it against my Moto G (Android 4.4), and it just worked (send files to device), even without being paired. I cannot browse via obex, but that would probably need some extra software on the Phone. I remember that with Android 2.x, nothing bluetooth would work out of the box and you would need to install "Android file transfer" or something like that.

Unless... perhaps I could try transfer of files from desktop to laptop via bluetooth? I've never tried that.

I was not able to obex push anything from the Phone to the laptop, even though I installed obexd-server and later obexd-data-server, but maybe it needs some reboot or service restart to activate... -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2014-03-28 19:22, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

Am 23.03.2014 17:41, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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On 2014-03-23 14:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Ok, tried a totally new user with Gnome. I do not get the native gnome bluetooth thing, as in the laptop, but your applet, and only inside the settings dialog. And it fails to transfer files.

If it doesn't work from GNOME, it's unlikely it will work with gnome-bluetooth-applet, as the latter is only a frontend to the GNOME bluetooth infrastructure.

It worked on 11.4, and stopped working on 13.1. I have an open Bugzilla (Bug 858406) on that issue, which also affects the desktop machine. Apparently this xfce applet bypasses the issue. On the desktop, with this new software, I have access. On the laptop, which only has the original software, it doesn't work. And I can't try this new applet on the laptop in case I get asked to do something on that Bugzilla. On the laptop, "hcitool scan" works. But gnome can not switch bluetooth on. I slide the button to "on", and after half a minute it goes off again. It is a dialog labelled "network configuration", but perhaps the thing is really expecting a network, internet kind? Ha! That's it. I have to start from "All settings", instead than from the right-top corner drop-down menu. In the "all settings" dialog there is a bluetooth entry, and in there there is a slider to set bluetooth to on, that works. I can tell it to connect to the phone, but it fails to. If started from the phone, I get a prompt to pair, on both sides. It doesn't seem to work, but if I initiate a file transfer from gnome, the phone accepts it. Then the phone says that the type was not recognized (I tried with an empty spreadsheet), and the file dissapears from sight. I try again with a photo, and the phone says something about a SD card error. Absurd. If I try to send a file from the phone, it fails as well (and I have access to the SD card). (after a long time, the phone says that the destination (laptop on gnome) does not allow this type of transference). On the phone, I can not set options on this bluetooth connection to the laptop (gnome) - I can on the connection to the desktop machine (new xfce applet). I do not know if this phone is capable of transferring files (I can't using Windows on the laptop, either). But it seems that both the gnome applet and the xfce applets have problems of their own as well.

I remember that with Android 2.x, nothing bluetooth would work out of the box and you would need to install "Android file transfer" or something like that.

That could be it. My phone has Android 2.3.6. The phone does offer to transfer files by bluetooth, but I don't know if it is disabled because the available connections do not permit it, or because I need something else on the phone. This is clear as mud. :-( -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

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* Carlos E. R. <> [2014-03-22 22:33]:

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I would like to test it, but I don't have factory currently installed.

Problem one, is that I have problems with getting vmware player running. Problem two is that factory install media was just released this week, and according to the reports I read, it fails a lot. One report says it breaks grub of the main system, so I will not risk a real hardware install...

Just a note, openSUSE 13.1 comes with qemu/kvm and VirtualBox which are perfectly capable of running Factory and testing software like this, on openQA you can even check beforehend if a certain build installs and runs in a vm. qmeu/kvm can both pass through USB devices and even emulate a bluetooth hci which should be enough to test wehther the applet runs.

I'm aware of their existence... but I can not learn everything :-) I just managed to get vmplayer running again. Apparently, I just had to update from version 5 to version 6, because probably of changes in the kernel headers and locations, as usual. I use vmware simply because it supports very old operating systems, such as MsDOS or Windows Me. Virtualbox does not (although some people say they work, there are not guest tools for them). I do not like that it is proprietary software, free for personal use only. Now I have to adapt some things and find out if it really works. For instance, as I tried this "gnome-bluetooth-applet" on real hardware, I can not know what resources it brings in from gnome, nor verify if it interferes or not with the native gnome tools, as I think it does. I would need two 13.1 installs to try this out, time permitting, but in virtual hardware instead (my bluetooth is via an USB dongle, so it works in a virtualized environment). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlMu5w8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9V65ACdHfHBP5MD4at7kA9iYaXdV+y+ v2AAoJN0sRokOBZJfVRQedgjK/PBn6NL =f2Zu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [2014-03-22 22:22]:

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On 2014-03-22 21:49, Malcolm wrote:

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On Sat 22 Mar 2014 09:26:33 PM CDT, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Just to say that you people should add to the distribution something that works on all desktops, whatever it is :-)

Who is 'you people'?

If you want something added that works, build, submit and maintain it...

Nope. I can not do that, I lack the proper skill set.

Every packager started out that way, it's not rocket science and you don't necessarily need to know how to code. Good starting points for learning how to build rpm packages are http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm-snapshot/p5206.html http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package#Creating_a_SPEC_f... http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Tutorial http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Packaging (in that order). -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org