[opensuse-factory] PulseAudio and KDE4 in 11.1 and future.
I would like to know what the plans are for PulseAudio in KDE4. From my just installed 11.1 experience... - I know PulseAudio was enabled only for Gnome in 11.0... I *think* it was going to be used also for KDE in 11.1 but never followed the story. - Uhm, I have just installed 11.1 with KDE4 and I have not kmix... I have no mixer at all!! Well, that probably means it is using PulseAudio... let's see, yes pulseaudio is in the list of running processes... I suppose I must find the specific mixer to be able to set the volume of my speakers, it will be the Gnome one or there is one specific for KDE? - I don't find any mixer... and if I look is the sound preferences of KDE the first preference for everything is my SB Live!, the second my HDA codec and the last one PulseAudio. That means PulseAudio is running but not used by KDE? Well, I suppose there is a good cause for PulseAudio to be the last preference by default, I'm not going to change that. But if my desktop isn't going to use PulseAudio I can just uninstall it, any other app that could use PulseAudio for sure also supports ALSA directly. - Ok, zypper rm pulseaudio... what?? Ok, seems libesd0 requires esound-daemon, provided by pulseaudio-esound-compat that requires pulseaudio. libes0 is required by some packages I really want (libao to put an example). It seems it's difficult to delete all this pulseaudio/esd thing... why? I'm using KDE, not Gnome. Should not libesd0 just "recommend" instead of "require" esound-daemon?? Ok, that's what I thought while trying to understand the situation. So... I missed something? Is really pulseaudio being installed (and runned) in KDE4 installations but KDE4 not using it? How I'm supposed to set my volume? There should be a KDE-pulseaudio-mixer? What are the plans for 11.2? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Cristian Morales Vega wrote:
I would like to know what the plans are for PulseAudio in KDE4. From my just installed 11.1 experience...
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Ok, that's what I thought while trying to understand the situation. So... I missed something? Is really pulseaudio being installed (and runned) in KDE4 installations but KDE4 not using it? How I'm supposed to set my volume? There should be a KDE-pulseaudio-mixer? What are the plans for 11.2?
Thanks.
As far as I am concerned, pulseaudio is a pain in the arse. Why? I use both kaffeine and xine to watch DVDs and digital TV on my 32-bit oS 11.0 and I do this without any sound hassles. I installed oS 11.1 - which installs, and uses, by default pulseaudio - but using kaffeine and xine to watch TV as I normally do under 11.0 I got drop-outs in the sound (akin to stuttering) every minute or so (I didn't time this phenomenon so let's just say that the drop-outs occurred on a regular basis -- *damn* annoying!). pulseaudio is not installed in oS 11.0 so I decided to try an experiment by uninstalling pulseaudio in 11.1. Guess what? No more drop-outs! The sound is perfect. So, pulseaudio.....Phffffft! Ciao. -- Be nice to people on your way up - you'll see the same people on your way down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stumbled across this in a blog, relating to a Beta version of Ubuntu. # 3 Alex October 5, 2008 at 4:12 pm "Hmm…what do Flash and Skype have in common? Oh! They're closed-source programs that do funky things with ALSA. It is fairly well-known that they don't play nice with PulseAudio. Also, as hads noted, this is a beta, and Ubuntu doesn't use Google's definition of "beta". If you absolutely must have functional closed-source applications, use the stable version or be prepared to reinstall it. As a workaround, you could try disabling PulseAudio." If nothing else, it shows that this is not OS specific. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
This article seems to be a good explanation, Don Marti September 18, 2008 http://lwn.net/Articles/299211/ Some of the Comments are quite illuminating to, LWN has quite a heavy weight subscriber base. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rob OpenSuSE wrote:
Stumbled across this in a blog, relating to a Beta version of Ubuntu.
# 3 Alex October 5, 2008 at 4:12 pm
"Hmm…what do Flash and Skype have in common? Oh! They're closed-source programs that do funky things with ALSA. It is fairly well-known that they don't play nice with PulseAudio. Also, as hads noted, this is a beta, and Ubuntu doesn't use Google's definition of "beta". If you absolutely must have functional closed-source applications, use the stable version or be prepared to reinstall it. As a workaround, you could try disabling PulseAudio."
If nothing else, it shows that this is not OS specific.
Most interesting. If it was already known that pulseaudio has this problem, why in heaven's name does openSUSE 11.1 then install pulseaudio by default? Totally unbelievable...... Ciao. -- Be nice to people on your way up - you'll see the same people on your way down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
2008/12/21 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au>:
Rob OpenSuSE wrote: Most interesting.
If it was already known that pulseaudio has this problem, why in heaven's name does openSUSE 11.1 then install pulseaudio by default? Totally unbelievable......
Well going by the LWN article, the reason would be, so we can adjust the volume of individual applications, which is a nice feature, that I've been able to do on M$ Vista for example. Now if the distro's don't push PulseAudio out to end users, do you think that Adobe (flash) and Skype are going to roll out changes to their clients, or will it be biz as usual? Part of the point of the community distro's is to get new software and features used, as an incentive to developers, and move the "State of the Art" on. If Fedora/Ubuntu/OS and any other big players don't move on this, will the advantages of PA become available by magic? So really, pushing PA out into the distros will result, either : Flash, skype, and others, trim their ALSA usage, as advocated as a potential solution in LWN or/ The damn thing will itch so much, that the PA ALSA ABI will be extended and cover, the 80% or 90% of features that are actually used in the wild. *shrugs* -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rob, On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 23:14 +0000, Rob OpenSuSE wrote:
2008/12/21 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au>:
Rob OpenSuSE wrote: Most interesting.
If it was already known that pulseaudio has this problem, why in heaven's name does openSUSE 11.1 then install pulseaudio by default? Totally unbelievable......
Well going by the LWN article, the reason would be, so we can adjust the volume of individual applications, which is a nice feature, that I've been able to do on M$ Vista for example.
Now if the distro's don't push PulseAudio out to end users, do you think that Adobe (flash) and Skype are going to roll out changes to their clients, or will it be biz as usual?
Part of the point of the community distro's is to get new software and features used, as an incentive to developers, and move the "State of the Art" on.
If Fedora/Ubuntu/OS and any other big players don't move on this, will the advantages of PA become available by magic?
So really, pushing PA out into the distros will result, either :
Flash, skype, and others, trim their ALSA usage, as advocated as a potential solution in LWN
or/
The damn thing will itch so much, that the PA ALSA ABI will be extended and cover, the 80% or 90% of features that are actually used in the wild.
*shrugs*
Couldn't have said it better myself... :-) Well done. Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
2008/12/22 Rob OpenSuSE <rob.opensuse.linux@googlemail.com>:
2008/12/21 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au>:
Rob OpenSuSE wrote: Most interesting.
If it was already known that pulseaudio has this problem, why in heaven's name does openSUSE 11.1 then install pulseaudio by default? Totally unbelievable......
Well going by the LWN article, the reason would be, so we can adjust the volume of individual applications, which is a nice feature, that I've been able to do on M$ Vista for example.
We can? I started this because I don't see a mixer in KDE4... not per-application neither global. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
2008/12/22 Cristian Morales Vega <cmorve69@yahoo.es>:
2008/12/22 Rob OpenSuSE <rob.opensuse.linux@googlemail.com>:
2008/12/21 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au>:
Rob OpenSuSE wrote: Most interesting.
If it was already known that pulseaudio has this problem, why in heaven's name does openSUSE 11.1 then install pulseaudio by default? Totally unbelievable......
Well going by the LWN article, the reason would be, so we can adjust the volume of individual applications, which is a nice feature, that I've been able to do on M$ Vista for example.
We can? I started this because I don't see a mixer in KDE4... not per-application neither global.
Presumably it'll get fixed in Factory first, by which time something else will be broken. Now Audio in 11.1-RC1 seemed to have a lot of issues, I'm afraid I didn't have time to search for, or submit bug reports, because I was looking at stuff that would cause booting to fail, or disk I/O peformance of about 2.5MB/s. But I look and I do indeed have KMix and it seems to find my On Mobo Audio, thought on x86_64 I have noticed the HDA is 'failed' and causes warnings on login. Kmix I had though, it seems a big improvement on KDE 3. Firing up Amarok and Kmix appears not to have a clue about controlling applicatons, so presumably that feature isn't in 4.1.3. May be 4.2, or 4.3? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Dne so 20. prosince 2008 Cristian Morales Vega napsal(a):
I would like to know what the plans are for PulseAudio in KDE4. From my just installed 11.1 experience...
- I know PulseAudio was enabled only for Gnome in 11.0... I *think* it was going to be used also for KDE in 11.1 but never followed the story.
Yes, PulseAudio is enabled by default in all desktops in 11.1. And I'm not aware of any reports of KDE+PulseAudio problems during the 11.1 testing phase.
- Uhm, I have just installed 11.1 with KDE4 and I have not kmix... I have no mixer at all!! Well, that probably means it is using PulseAudio...
I find it unlikely that this is caused by PulseAudio and you can easily check by trying without PulseAudio running.
- Ok, zypper rm pulseaudio... what?? Ok, seems libesd0 requires esound-daemon, provided by pulseaudio-esound-compat that requires pulseaudio. libes0 is required by some packages I really want (libao to put an example). It seems it's difficult to delete all this pulseaudio/esd thing... why? I'm using KDE, not Gnome. Should not libesd0 just "recommend" instead of "require" esound-daemon??
You should ask the packager of libesd0, and that is not KDE maintainers. Until then, you can try e.g. rpm --force. -- Lubos Lunak KDE developer -------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 972 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http//www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
2008/12/29 Lubos Lunak <l.lunak@suse.cz>:
Dne so 20. prosince 2008 Cristian Morales Vega napsal(a):
- Uhm, I have just installed 11.1 with KDE4 and I have not kmix... I have no mixer at all!! Well, that probably means it is using PulseAudio...
I find it unlikely that this is caused by PulseAudio and you can easily check by trying without PulseAudio running.
What I though was that kmix was removed (consciously) from the default installation because it would not affect PulseAudio mixer settings. But since Rob said it had it, I verified that indeed kde4-kmix is included in a pattern ("kde-multimedia" or something similar), so I don't know why I hadn't it installed by default. I customized the package list in the installation... I don't know what, but I suppose I unmarked a kde4-kmix dependency and so kde4-kmix was also automatically removed. At the end I removed PulseAudio and installed kde4-kmix. But would still be insterested in knowing how it is/will be integrated in KDE. Phonon already has the ability of adjusting the volume per-application, true? Isn't a problem that both Phonon and PulseAudio allow this? There exists a KDE version of "PulseAudio Volume Control (pavucontrol)"? If so, where is it hidden? ;-) If doesn't exists... I suppose is something *needed*. Is openSUSE/Novell or someone else developing one? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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