Oddball schreef:

oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1:~> kaffeine oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1:~> libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.15 from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access libdvdread: Attempting to use device /dev/hdb11 mounted on / for CSS authentication libdvdread: Could not open /dev/hdb11 with libdvdcss. libdvdread: Can't open /dev/hdb11 for reading libdvdread: Device /dev/hdb11 inaccessible, CSS authentication not available. libdvdnav: Can't read name block. Probably not a DVD-ROM device. libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/oddball/.dvdnav/.map' libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed libdvdnav:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. libdvdnav: vm: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.15 from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss. libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading libdvdnav: vm: faild to open/read the DVD

Does this have something to do with [Bug 408252] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252

I tried root to open the dvd: Kaffeine-Xine... Ok. KDE... Versie gevonden: 3.5.10 "release 23.5" Ok.WIN32 Codecs... Ok. libdvdcss... Ok. DVD-drive... Ok. DVB-apparaat... Geen DVB-apparaten gevonden. De DVB-gerelateerde functies zullen worden verborgen. Distributie... Gevonden: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64). De xine-lib van SUSE ondersteunt bepaalde mogelijkheden niet vanwege mogelijke softwarepatenten. Gebruik de plaketten hiervandaan: http://packman.links2linux.de. RESULTAAT: Alles in orde! Kaffeine started, but when i wanted to open the dvd with it, it vanished. When i started from konsole it worked. AMD64x2-sfn1:/home/oddball # kaffeine kbuildsycoca running... AMD64x2-sfn1:/home/oddball # libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.15 from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access libdvdread: Attempting to use device /dev/hdb11 mounted on / for CSS authentication libdvdnav: Can't read name block. Probably not a DVD-ROM device. libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/root/.dvdnav/.map' libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. libdvdnav: vm: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.1.15 from http://xine.sf.net libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access libdvdnav: DVD Title: SHOOT_EM_UP libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 38557D83 libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): SHOOT_EM_UP libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/root/.dvdnav/SHOOT_EM_UP.map' libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fd0000. Regions: 2 libdvdread: Attempting to retrieve all CSS keys libdvdread: This can take a _long_ time, please be patient libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB at 0x00000140 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.VOB at 0x000001a9 libdvdread: Elapsed time 1 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB at 0x00016f7a libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_0.VOB at 0x001be82f libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_1.VOB at 0x001be863 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_0.VOB at 0x001c7047 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB at 0x001c707b libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_0.VOB at 0x001c70c1 libdvdread: Elapsed time 1 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_1.VOB at 0x001c70f5 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_0.VOB at 0x001d142a libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_1.VOB at 0x001d145e libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_0.VOB at 0x001fc0d1 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_1.VOB at 0x001fc105 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_0.VOB at 0x002aff15 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_1.VOB at 0x002aff49 libdvdread: Elapsed time 1 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_08_0.VOB at 0x002f58bf libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_08_1.VOB at 0x002f58f3 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Found 8 VTS's libdvdread: Elapsed time 3 Do i have to file a bug for this, or is the KDE3 kaffeine version no longer supported? ( i hope so until the kde4 version is ready..;?) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.27.8-1-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.18" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am Montag, 29. Dezember 2008 12:46:48 schrieb Oddball:

Oddball schreef:

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Do i have to file a bug for this, or is the KDE3 kaffeine version no longer supported? ( i hope so until the kde4 version is ready..;?)

I also tried kaffeine4, which will not run from rootkonsole, only from konsole, and then it has the same: xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [dvd://]

It runs from alt+F2: kdesu-kaffeine4

Is this the kpackagekit authority problem? Do i have to file a bug for this?

Perhaps your normal user is not member of usergroup "cdrom", I had something similar with OS 11.1. Add via yast. Kind regards, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Oddball schreef:

Peter Hoyer schreef:

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Perhaps your normal user is not member of usergroup "cdrom", I had something similar with OS 11.1. Add via yast.

Kind regards,

Peter

Thnx for your reaction.

It is most certainly not done by me. As workaround it would go.[snip]

@peter, But you were right.. after adding me to the cdrom group and logging in again, both players worked as should. It is not a big deal, but the hassle to find out what is wrong takes very much valuable time... If i imagine fresh users have to do that? They will not go this far, but say: the video player is broken, the burner does not work, this is a crappy OS, lets go back and suffer the things we know.... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.27.8-1-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.18" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan schreef:

* Oddball [12-29-08 08:46]:

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But you were right.. after adding me to the cdrom group and logging in again, both players worked as should. It is not a big deal, but the hassle to find out what is wrong takes very much valuable time...

If i imagine fresh users have to do that? They will not go this far, but say: the video player is broken, the burner does not work, this is a crappy OS, lets go back and suffer the things we know....

One who has never driven an automoble will have similar difficulties, especially w/o an automagic transmission.

What kind of comparison is that? -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.27.8-1-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.18" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Rob OpenSuSE schreef:

2008/12/29 Oddball :

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Oddball schreef:

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Peter Hoyer schreef:

But you were right.. after adding me to the cdrom group and logging in again, both players worked as should. It is not a big deal, but the hassle to find out what is wrong takes very much valuable time...

If i imagine fresh users have to do that? They will not go this far, but say: the video player is broken, the burner does not work, this is a crappy OS, lets go back and suffer the things we know....

You're right and older version of the OS didn't require this, least under 10.3, groups "users dialout video" were I think defaults and sufficed. OS 11.1 is very new, has a lot of changes, and plenty of rough edges that need rounding off.

Ofcourse it has to be polished. When many things change at once, and these are things that better do *not* change, because it gets worse instead of better, there are regular posts about these alterations for the worse, my opinion is to be very clear about what better does not change, because it is allright the way it is. A kind of standard, or tradition, needed to show were something stands for. In this case it is obvious, and i understand this: not being able to watch a movie without two days of searching why the player does not work, and get it to work, will not be (hopefully) the default. The OS has to serve us, to be able to make things more easy, and less time-consuming, as there only are 24 hours in the days i am familiar with, and i am allways short of hours, no matter how early i start in the morning. About my standards: Network up, Music, Mail, Browser, Good Office tools, Movies, Games. Before that, the OS has to be booted up, to make all this possible. I know that the best servant is the boss. Surely as long it does not show. I am proud of an OS that knows all (my) hardware, and how to get the best performance out of it. When all works, i like to tune and tweek it to my personal wishes and feelings, to be as comfortable as possible, working in a very good mood. I do not want, or need defaults that upset my good mood, and my positivity, because that harms me, and my surroundings. I do not know if there are people who think otherwise, but i know that my mood, determines wetter i am able to deliver a 'good' job, or not. When my mood drops, it is if my intelligence drops, and i surely don't like that. When too many unexpected things happen, that cause special attention and thus extra time from me, which i don't have, i get angry. When i get angry, i have to calm myself, and that takes valuable time. I am not in need of an OS, that is up to upset me. In that case, i have to look for one that does not. This takes much valuable time. That is why i choose to stay with what once suited me best, improve it, while preserving that what made me choose it. That is my motive. If the os changes that much, that it does not longer fullfill my needs, and i am not longer able to adjust it too my needs, it forces me to look for another. The people creating the os are responsible for the reactions they cause. If they are not logicly asking theirselves: What do i expect from the os? They will not be capable to maintain the high standards requested to stay on top, in the race. Standards have to be set. Expectations to be met. Next to this, new things can be developed and tested. Never replace too many standards, or defaults at once, or upsetting users will be caused, it is that simple. We have to guard the standards, so expectations will be met. If the expectations are met, one is happy, and up to something new, if nessesary;) Maby it sounds old school, but there is no school as the old school.. ;) (please don't loose sense of humour, and do not mistake me for the words i write..:)) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.27.8-1-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.18" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan schreef:

* Oddball [12-29-08 07:50]:

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Thnx for your reaction.

It is most certainly not done by me.

Your choice, but *you* chose linux :^)

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As workaround it would go. But i think it is unacceptable for a user to have to 'make himself' member of cdrom usergroup, that is just stupid. The box has to useable in total, not these stupid tricks you have to pull, just to see a movie, or burn a cd or dvd: that sucks!

These kinda things realy have to be 'normal', which is: the user that has logged in, must be able to use his box, period. Root is used to maintain the pkgsystem, and alter stuf that normaly doesn't have to be altered.

To me that does not include watching a movie, or burn a cd.

All things are not as you suppose. Linux has always, iirc, come with minimal permissions as not everyone need all of the functions. And now there are these marvelous tools to assist you in making those things you deem necessary available for you, mainly yast2.

AND, calling the world dark and condemming the archangels will not make it different. Calm yourself and live longer.

;) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.27.8-1-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.18" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. schreef:

On Monday, 2008-12-29 at 13:34 +0100, Peter Hoyer wrote:

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Am Montag, 29. Dezember 2008 12:46:48 schrieb Oddball:

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Oddball schreef:

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Do i have to file a bug for this, or is the KDE3 kaffeine version no longer supported? ( i hope so until the kde4 version is ready..;?)

I also tried kaffeine4, which will not run from rootkonsole, only from konsole, and then it has the same: xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [dvd://]

It runs from alt+F2: kdesu-kaffeine4

Is this the kpackagekit authority problem? Do i have to file a bug for this?

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Perhaps your normal user is not member of usergroup "cdrom", I had something similar with OS 11.1. Add via yast.

But that is, as far as I know, a workaround. I understand that "ConsoleKit/PolicyKit/hal" should handle this situation and give permission to the user sitting at the chair automatically.

However, if this behaviour is intentional, it should be documented in the release notes, as it is a change compared to previous permission policy.

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

"ConsoleKit/PolicyKit/hal", indeed, that is what i meant Carlos, sorry for my degenerating remark there..;) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.27.8-1-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.18" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org