[opensuse-factory] Re: Fontconfig fonts priority

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Lars Müller

1 Feb 2012 1 Feb '12

12:17

On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 12:22:50PM +0100, Mariusz Fik wrote:

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Dnia środa, 1 lutego 2012 01:03:13 Sven Burmeister pisze:

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Am Dienstag, 31. Januar 2012, 22:43:11 schrieb Mariusz Fik:

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current fontconfig configuration[1] sets the highest priority for Microsoft font. If user install them (i.e. Times New Roman, Arial, Consolas) they will be set as _default_ for respectively families (sans-serif, sans, monospace). Why do we promote Microsoft fonts instead support open fonts, shipped with system?

I propose[2] to downgrade those fonts. Thanks to this, we keep our default font settings but those MS fonts will be still available for use.

Whats Your point of view in this case?

Are you sure that the free fonts have the same quality – even if anti-aliasing is disabled? I remember ugly characters with free fonts unless I would use bitmap fonts and that's a no-go IMHO. My suggestion is: Set the best quality fonts as default. Those that do not want to use MS fonts simply do not install them. There was a reason to prefer those fonts and AFAIR it was quality or lack thereof regarding the free fonts.

The goal is: to not set those fonts as _default_ and not to get them rid off . Why Joe when install i.e. Consolas font should get it set as default monospace font? Maybe he want's only to use it in a single program?

Please continue this thread at opensuse-factory as it was already suggested as part of this thread. Therefore the Reply-To got set. The begin of this thread was here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2012-01/msg02101.html Why? Cause it's more likely that you'll get the required attention. Thanks, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

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Joon

27 Jan 27 Jan

19:23

Lars Müller writes:

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On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 12:22:50PM +0100, Mariusz Fik wrote:

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Dnia środa, 1 lutego 2012 01:03:13 Sven Burmeister pisze:

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Am Dienstag, 31. Januar 2012, 22:43:11 schrieb Mariusz Fik:

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current fontconfig configuration[1] sets the highest priority for Microsoft font. If user install them (i.e. Times New Roman, Arial, Consolas) they will be set as _default_ for respectively families (sans-serif, sans, monospace). Why do we promote Microsoft fonts instead support open fonts, shipped with system?

I propose[2] to downgrade those fonts. Thanks to this, we keep our default font settings but those MS fonts will be still available for use.

Whats Your point of view in this case?

Are you sure that the free fonts have the same quality – even if anti-aliasing is disabled? I remember ugly characters with free fonts unless I would use bitmap fonts and that's a no-go IMHO. My suggestion is: Set the best quality fonts as default. Those that do not want to use MS fonts simply do not install them. There was a reason to prefer those fonts and AFAIR it was quality or lack thereof regarding the free fonts.

The goal is: to not set those fonts as _default_ and not to get them rid off. Why Joe when install i.e. Consolas font should get it set as default monospace font? Maybe he want's only to use it in a single program?

Please continue this thread at opensuse-factory as it was already suggested as part of this thread. Therefore the Reply-To got set.

The begin of this thread was here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2012-01/msg02101.html

Hi, I was thinking about this issue and found the thread. I agree with OP as since ms fonts are on the top in the priority list, as soon as I install ms fonts all my desktop starts using ms fonts as default - even though I usually install those for specific purposes only. I wish msfonts to have lower priority in /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf, or is there a way to have a user specific settings file? Best, Joon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Jan Engelhardt

20:41

On Sunday 2013-01-27 20:23, Joon wrote:

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current fontconfig configuration[1] sets the highest priority for Microsoft font. If user install them (i.e. Times New Roman, Arial, Consolas) they will be set as _default_ for respectively families (sans-serif, sans, monospace). Why do we promote Microsoft fonts instead support open fonts, shipped with system?

Luxi Sans has a messed up stroke thickness at rendering sizes 13-15px. Google Droid and DejaVu seem to lack hints. BitStream Vera Sans seems to have hints, but kerns are sometimes odd. Arial has hints and good kerning. And that's what makes up the current default settings... simple as that. Note that Arial etc. were made by a multi-person group at Monotype, whereas the Microsoft C* fonts (Calibri, Cambria, et al) were not, which is probably why Arial still wins over C*.

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Please continue this thread at opensuse-factory as it was already suggested as part of this thread. Therefore the Reply-To got set. The begin of this thread was here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2012-01/msg02101.html

I was thinking about this issue and found the thread.

I agree with OP as since ms fonts are on the top in the priority list, as soon as I install ms fonts all my desktop starts using ms fonts as default - even though I usually install those for specific purposes only. I wish msfonts to have lower priority in /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf, or is there a way to have a user specific settings file?

The user file is ~/.fonts.conf and follows the same format as the system-wide file suse-post-user.conf. I myself use ~/.fonts.conf to set the way I prefer how kanji rendered at certain sizes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Kyrill Detinov

21:13

On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:41:09 +0100 (CET) Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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I wish msfonts to have lower priority in /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf, or is there a way to have a user specific settings file?

The user file is ~/.fonts.conf and follows the same format as the system-wide file suse-post-user.conf. I myself use ~/.fonts.conf to set the way I prefer how kanji rendered at certain sizes.

Every time I see: Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated. -- WBR Kyrill

Takashi Iwai

28 Jan 28 Jan

09:59

At Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:13:12 +0400, Kyrill Detinov wrote:

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On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:41:09 +0100 (CET) Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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I wish msfonts to have lower priority in /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf, or is there a way to have a user specific settings file?

The user file is ~/.fonts.conf and follows the same format as the system-wide file suse-post-user.conf. I myself use ~/.fonts.conf to set the way I prefer how kanji rendered at certain sizes.

Every time I see: Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.

Move it to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf (where $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is usually ~/.config). Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Kyrill Detinov

10:23

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:59:47 +0100 Takashi Iwai wrote:

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The user file is ~/.fonts.conf and follows the same format as the system-wide file suse-post-user.conf. I myself use ~/.fonts.conf to set the way I prefer how kanji rendered at certain sizes.

Every time I see: Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.

Move it to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf (where $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is usually ~/.config).

Yes, thanks. But I may not do at the moment. I use shared /home with Factory and 11.4. -- WBR Kyrill

Jan Engelhardt

30 Jan 30 Jan

23:26

On Sunday 2013-01-27 22:13, Kyrill Detinov wrote:

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On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:41:09 +0100 (CET) Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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I wish msfonts to have lower priority in /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf, or is there a way to have a user specific settings file?

The user file is ~/.fonts.conf and follows the same format as the system-wide file suse-post-user.conf. I myself use ~/.fonts.conf to set the way I prefer how kanji rendered at certain sizes.

Every time I see:

See it where?

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Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Marguerite Su

31 Jan 31 Jan

06:27

On Sunday 2013-01-27 22:13, Kyrill Detinov wrote:

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Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.

fontconfig upstream changed their user directory to: $HOME/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf I think we need to update that path. Greetings Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Kyrill Detinov

17:43

On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:26:17 +0100 (CET) Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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I myself use ~/.fonts.conf to set the way I prefer how kanji rendered at certain sizes.

Every time I see:

See it where?

At least in emelFM2 output. The same in terminal window. BTW, your message goes wrong way: From: Jan Engelhardt <...> To: Kyrill Detinov <...> Cc: opensuse-factory@... Missing X-Mailinglist: opensuse-factory -- WBR Kyrill

Jan Engelhardt

17 Feb 17 Feb

14:10

On Monday 2013-01-28 10:59, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:41:09 +0100 (CET) Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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I wish msfonts to have lower priority in /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf, or is there a way to have a user specific settings file?

The user file is ~/.fonts.conf and follows the same format as the system-wide file suse-post-user.conf. I myself use ~/.fonts.conf to set the way I prefer how kanji rendered at certain sizes.

Every time I see: Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.

Move it to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf (where $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is usually ~/.config).

Ah hell no. That does not work. If I `mv ~/.fonts.conf ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf`, my 15px hiragana glyphs suddenly go from autohint=false to autohint=true! Which means ~/.fonts.conf is respected and ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf is not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Takashi Iwai

17:04

At Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:10:24 +0100 (CET), Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Monday 2013-01-28 10:59, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:41:09 +0100 (CET) Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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I wish msfonts to have lower priority in /etc/fonts/suse-post-user.conf, or is there a way to have a user specific settings file?

The user file is ~/.fonts.conf and follows the same format as the system-wide file suse-post-user.conf. I myself use ~/.fonts.conf to set the way I prefer how kanji rendered at certain sizes.

Every time I see: Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.

Move it to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf (where $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is usually ~/.config).

Ah hell no. That does not work.

If I `mv ~/.fonts.conf ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf`, my 15px hiragana glyphs suddenly go from autohint=false to autohint=true! Which means ~/.fonts.conf is respected and ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf is not.

Hmm, I don't see what can be wrong there at a quick glance. Could you check whether it's really read via strace or such? thanks, Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Jan Engelhardt

18:04

On Sunday 2013-02-17 18:04, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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Move it to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf (where $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is usually ~/.config).

Ah hell no. That does not work.

If I `mv ~/.fonts.conf ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf`, my 15px hiragana glyphs suddenly go from autohint=false to autohint=true! Which means ~/.fonts.conf is respected and ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf is not.

Hmm, I don't see what can be wrong there at a quick glance. Could you check whether it's really read via strace or such?

19:02 nakamura:~ > strace -fe open gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf open("/etc/fonts/fonts.conf", O_RDONLY) = 10 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/11-suse-hinting.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/12-suse-hinting-bc.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/16-suse-hintstyle.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/17-suse-bitmaps.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/18-suse-bitmaps-misc.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/20-fix-globaladvance.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/20-unhint-small-vera.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-urw-aliases.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/31-cantarell.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/40-nonlatin.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/45-latin.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/49-sansserif.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-suse-pre-user.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/55-local.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/home/jengelh/.fonts.conf", O_RDONLY) = 13 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/58-suse-post-user.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-fonts-persian.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-nonlatin.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/69-unifont.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/80-delicious.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/90-synthetic.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 {program runs} $ strace -fe open,stat,lstat gjiten 2>&1 | grep .config/fontc {no output} -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Yamaban

18:30

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Re: Fontconfig fonts priority

On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:04, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Sunday 2013-02-17 18:04, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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Move it to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf (where $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is usually ~/.config).

Ah hell no. That does not work.

If I `mv ~/.fonts.conf ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf`, my 15px hiragana glyphs suddenly go from autohint=false to autohint=true! Which means ~/.fonts.conf is respected and ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf is not.

Hmm, I don't see what can be wrong there at a quick glance. Could you check whether it's really read via strace or such?

19:02 nakamura:~ > strace -fe open gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf open("/etc/fonts/fonts.conf", O_RDONLY) = 10

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open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/home/jengelh/.fonts.conf", O_RDONLY) = 13 [snip]

"fontconfig" itself wants $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf but /etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf says "~/.fonts.conf" to get it working for now AND the future, the easiest way would be adding a line: <include ignore_missing="yes">~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf</include> to /etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf . Then for a new user create ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf instead of ~/.fonts.conf via skeleton profile. maybe even add a comment that "~/.fonts.conf" should be moved to "~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf" in the /etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf file, with the why (cleanup of $HOME, upstream compilance, etc.) That can be done for 12.3, as polishing item, prior to GoldMaster, ne? -- Yamaban. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Fuminobu TAKEYAMA

18 Feb 18 Feb

03:02

New subject: ~.fonts.conf is deprecated / was [opensuse-factory] Fontconfig fonts priority

Hi all,

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to get it working for now AND the future, the easiest way would be adding a line:

fontconfig-2.10.x provided by 12.3, M17N, and Factory include the following 56-user.conf from the upstream: <?xml version="1.0"?> <!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd"> <fontconfig>  <include ignore_missing="yes" prefix="xdg">fontconfig/conf.d</include> <include ignore_missing="yes" prefix="xdg">fontconfig/fonts.conf  <include ignore_missing="yes" deprecated="yes">~/.fonts.conf.d</include> <include ignore_missing="yes" deprecated="yes">~/.fonts.conf</include> </fontconfig> And then, "/.fonts.conf is deprecated" is printed by the "deprecated" attribute above. As far as I know, KDE still generates ~/.fonts.conf. although the KDE's font setting is really buggy and should be redesigned. Fuminobu TAKEYAMA (2013/02/18 3:30), Yamaban wrote:

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On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:04, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Sunday 2013-02-17 18:04, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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Move it to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf (where $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is usually ~/.config).

Ah hell no. That does not work.

If I `mv ~/.fonts.conf ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf`, my 15px hiragana glyphs suddenly go from autohint=false to autohint=true! Which means ~/.fonts.conf is respected and ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf is not.

Hmm, I don't see what can be wrong there at a quick glance. Could you check whether it's really read via strace or such?

19:02 nakamura:~ > strace -fe open gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf open("/etc/fonts/fonts.conf", O_RDONLY) = 10

[snip]

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open("/etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf", O_RDONLY) = 12 open("/home/jengelh/.fonts.conf", O_RDONLY) = 13 [snip]

"fontconfig" itself wants $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf but /etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf says "~/.fonts.conf"

to get it working for now AND the future, the easiest way would be adding a line:

<include ignore_missing="yes">~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf</include>

to /etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf .

Then for a new user create ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf instead of ~/.fonts.conf via skeleton profile.

maybe even add a comment that "~/.fonts.conf" should be moved to "~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf" in the /etc/fonts/conf.d/56-user.conf file, with the why (cleanup of $HOME, upstream compilance, etc.)

That can be done for 12.3, as polishing item, prior to GoldMaster, ne?

-- Yamaban.

-- Fuminobu TAKEYAMA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Takashi Iwai

10:19

At Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:04:09 +0100 (CET), Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Sunday 2013-02-17 18:04, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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Move it to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf (where $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is usually ~/.config).

Ah hell no. That does not work.

If I `mv ~/.fonts.conf ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf`, my 15px hiragana glyphs suddenly go from autohint=false to autohint=true! Which means ~/.fonts.conf is respected and ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf is not.

Hmm, I don't see what can be wrong there at a quick glance. Could you check whether it's really read via strace or such?

19:02 nakamura:~ > strace -fe open gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf

Try to check "access", too: % strace -fe open -e access gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf Doesn't it check the path? Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Jan Engelhardt

19 Feb 19 Feb

13:58

On Monday 2013-02-18 11:19, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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On Sunday 2013-02-17 18:04, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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Move it to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf (where $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is usually ~/.config).

Ah hell no. That does not work.

If I `mv ~/.fonts.conf ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf`, my 15px hiragana glyphs suddenly go from autohint=false to autohint=true! Which means ~/.fonts.conf is respected and ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf is not.

Hmm, I don't see what can be wrong there at a quick glance. Could you check whether it's really read via strace or such?

19:02 nakamura:~ > strace -fe open gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf

Try to check "access", too: % strace -fe open -e access gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf

Doesn't it check the path?

It checks for paths, but none of them is ~/.config/... Mind you, on 12.2, there is no entry in the global fonts.conf to look in the XDG home, so it's not a problem per se . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Takashi Iwai

14:16

At Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:58:59 +0100 (CET), Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Monday 2013-02-18 11:19, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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On Sunday 2013-02-17 18:04, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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Move it to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf (where $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is usually ~/.config).

Ah hell no. That does not work.

If I `mv ~/.fonts.conf ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf`, my 15px hiragana glyphs suddenly go from autohint=false to autohint=true! Which means ~/.fonts.conf is respected and ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf is not.

Hmm, I don't see what can be wrong there at a quick glance. Could you check whether it's really read via strace or such?

19:02 nakamura:~ > strace -fe open gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf

Try to check "access", too: % strace -fe open -e access gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf

Doesn't it check the path?

It checks for paths, but none of them is ~/.config/... Mind you, on 12.2, there is no entry in the global fonts.conf to look in the XDG home, so it's not a problem per se .

What system are you using at all? fontconfig package on 12.3 / FACTORY (or M17N) must contain the check of ~/.config/fontconfig/* path. Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Jan Engelhardt

15:11

On Tuesday 2013-02-19 15:16, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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At Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:58:59 +0100 (CET), Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Monday 2013-02-18 11:19, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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On Sunday 2013-02-17 18:04, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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> >Move it to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf >(where $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is usually ~/.config).

Ah hell no. That does not work.

If I `mv ~/.fonts.conf ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf`, my 15px hiragana glyphs suddenly go from autohint=false to autohint=true! Which means ~/.fonts.conf is respected and ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf is not.

Hmm, I don't see what can be wrong there at a quick glance. Could you check whether it's really read via strace or such?

19:02 nakamura:~ > strace -fe open gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf

Try to check "access", too: % strace -fe open -e access gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf

Doesn't it check the path?

It checks for paths, but none of them is ~/.config/... Mind you, on 12.2, there is no entry in the global fonts.conf to look in the XDG home, so it's not a problem per se .

What system are you using at all? fontconfig package on 12.3 / FACTORY (or M17N) must contain the check of ~/.config/fontconfig/* path.

As I said, I was using 12.2 to try this out, but it has already been made clear that /etc/fonts/, on 12.2, does not contain the required include directive that would cause a lookup in $HOME. In other words, problem solved. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Takashi Iwai

15:14

At Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:11:48 +0100 (CET), Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Tuesday 2013-02-19 15:16, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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At Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:58:59 +0100 (CET), Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Monday 2013-02-18 11:19, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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On Sunday 2013-02-17 18:04, Takashi Iwai wrote:

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> > > >Move it to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf > >(where $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is usually ~/.config). > > Ah hell no. That does not work. > > If I `mv ~/.fonts.conf ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf`, my 15px > hiragana glyphs suddenly go from autohint=false to autohint=true! > Which means ~/.fonts.conf is respected and > ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf is not.

Hmm, I don't see what can be wrong there at a quick glance. Could you check whether it's really read via strace or such?

19:02 nakamura:~ > strace -fe open gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf

Try to check "access", too: % strace -fe open -e access gjiten 2>&1 | grep fonts.conf

Doesn't it check the path?

It checks for paths, but none of them is ~/.config/... Mind you, on 12.2, there is no entry in the global fonts.conf to look in the XDG home, so it's not a problem per se .

What system are you using at all? fontconfig package on 12.3 / FACTORY (or M17N) must contain the check of ~/.config/fontconfig/* path.

As I said, I was using 12.2 to try this out, but it has already been made clear that /etc/fonts/, on 12.2, does not contain the required include directive that would cause a lookup in $HOME.

In other words, problem solved.

OK, I didn't know that you are checking on 12.2 system :) And, yes, the new XDG path was introduced first since openSUSE 12.3. Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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