Who maintains each RPM package?
Is there a canonical, publicly-accessible database which maps openSUSE RPMs to the group/person/URL/email that maintains them? Specifically, I'd like to report or track the current problem with `jupyter` pulling in all of `python310*` (despite everything required being in `python311`), but more generally some other longstanding issues like `transfig` pulling in over 2000 `texlive-*` packages, or `mate-terminal` not getting its required `libmate-desktop`. (On the latter, yes, I know: "It's too much trouble for packagers to know all their dependencies so they just rely on having their pattern installed". Sigh. I thought dependencies were the fundamental point of RPM -- or any package system -- but maybe that's just me.) I don't know if I'd get any progress on these kinds of non-fatal problems, but I'd at least like to know the maintainers were aware of them. Or should I just file a report on Bugzilla (or post here) instead?
Am 22.08.23 um 21:08 schrieb Mark Rubin via openSUSE Factory:
Is there a canonical, publicly-accessible database which maps openSUSE RPMs to the group/person/URL/email that maintains them?
Not sure whether this one is still maintained and up-to-date: https://maintainer.zq1.de/ Regards, Frank
Am Dienstag, 22. August 2023, 20:08:59 BST schrieb Mark Rubin via openSUSE Factory:
Is there a canonical, publicly-accessible database which maps openSUSE RPMs to the group/person/URL/email that maintains them?
it is visible from OBS, either from the website, or osc maintainer <package>
Specifically, I'd like to report or track the current problem with `jupyter` pulling in all of `python310*` (despite everything required being in `python311`),
I guess this is https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1214354[1]
but more generally some other longstanding issues like `transfig` pulling in over 2000 `texlive-*` packages, or `mate-terminal` not getting its required `libmate-desktop`. (On the latter, yes, I know: "It's too much trouble for packagers to know all their dependencies so they just rely on having their pattern installed". Sigh. I thought dependencies were the fundamental point of RPM -- or any package system -- but maybe that's just me.)
Cheers Axel -------- [1] https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1214354
Am 22.08.23 um 21:08 schrieb Mark Rubin via openSUSE Factory:
Is there a canonical, publicly-accessible database which maps openSUSE RPMs to the group/person/URL/email that maintains them?
osc maintainer python311-jupyterlab [0] Defined in project: devel:languages:python:jupyter bugowner of python311-jupyterlab : - maintainer of python311-jupyterlab : StevenK, mcepl, mcalabkova, bnavigator, dgarcia, group:factory-maintainers, group:python-maintainers
Specifically, I'd like to report or track the current problem with `jupyter` pulling in all of `python310*` (despite everything required being in `python311`),
That would be me. Did you follow the discussion on the mailinglist and https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1214354 ? - Ben
Frank Krüger wrote:
... publicly-accessible database ... Not sure whether this one is still maintained and up-to-date: https://maintainer.zq1.de/
Thanks. As an example, that leads variously to: https://maintainer.zq1.de/?pkg=transfig&type=auto&.submit=Search#transfig
bugowner: WernerFink Project-Maintainers: maintainer: WernerFink maintainer: fsundermeyer maintainer: mimi_vx maintainer: pluskalm maintainer: thomas-schraitle maintainer: tiwai
https://software.opensuse.org/package/transfig?search_term=transfig
openSUSE Tumbleweed official release Official 3.2.8b
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE%3AFactory/transfig
Latest Revision Dominique Leuenberger (dimstar_suse) accepted request 1073047 from Martin Pluskal's (pluskalm) 5 months ago (revision 55)
See below ... Axel Braun wrote:
it is visible from OBS, either from the website, or osc maintainer <package>
Again, thanks for the suggestions. I'd prefer not to install osc (password in config file or get keyrings working, which I've never been able to do), so I searched "transfig" at https://build.opensuse.org/ and got to: https://build.opensuse.org/search?search_text=transfig
package openSUSE:Factory / transfig : Graphic Converter TransFig is a set of tools for creating TeX documents with graphics that are ...
That leads to the same link as above: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE%3AFactory/transfig And then to: https://build.opensuse.org/users/pluskalm
Martin Pluskal pluskalm Member of the group maintenance-opensuse.org
And: https://build.opensuse.org/groups/maintenance-opensuse.org So ... if I didn't make any mistakes along the way, would the proper protocol be to create an OBS account and contact Martin Pluskal or file an "Incoming Request" to the maintanance group? Or just go through Bugzilla and let them forward it appropriately? As always with open source, if I got a response to my "transfig pulls in 2000+ textlive packages" complaint (which is more of a feature request than a bug report) of "That's the way we designed it", that would be acceptable. I'd just be curious if it was instead, "Oh, we didn't realize that. Maybe we'll change it." Axel Braun wrote:
... `jupyter` ... I guess this is https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1214354%5B1]
Ben Greiner wrote:
That would be me. Did you follow the discussion on the mailinglist and https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1214354 ?
Yes, I saw the early discussion (which I can't find now) but not the bugzilla. I'll try reinstalling jupyter (which I removed along with all of 310, plus some 311 dependencies). Thanks.
Aug 22, 2023 23:49:03 Mark Rubin via openSUSE Factory <factory@lists.opensuse.org>:
Frank Krüger wrote:
... publicly-accessible database ... Not sure whether this one is still maintained and up-to-date: https://maintainer.zq1.de/
Thanks. As an example, that leads variously to:
https://maintainer.zq1.de/?pkg=transfig&type=auto&.submit=Search#transfig
bugowner: WernerFink Project-Maintainers: maintainer: WernerFink maintainer: fsundermeyer maintainer: mimi_vx maintainer: pluskalm maintainer: thomas-schraitle maintainer: tiwai
https://software.opensuse.org/package/transfig?search_term=transfig
openSUSE Tumbleweed official release Official 3.2.8b
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE%3AFactory/transfig
Latest Revision Dominique Leuenberger (dimstar_suse) accepted request 1073047 from Martin Pluskal's (pluskalm) 5 months ago (revision 55)
See below ...
Axel Braun wrote:
it is visible from OBS, either from the website, or osc maintainer <package>
Again, thanks for the suggestions. I'd prefer not to install osc (password in config file or get keyrings working, which I've never been able to do), so I searched "transfig" at https://build.opensuse.org/ and got to:
https://build.opensuse.org/search?search_text=transfig
package openSUSE:Factory / transfig : Graphic Converter TransFig is a set of tools for creating TeX documents with graphics that are ...
That leads to the same link as above: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE%3AFactory/transfig
And then to: https://build.opensuse.org/users/pluskalm
Martin Pluskal pluskalm Member of the group maintenance-opensuse.org
And: https://build.opensuse.org/groups/maintenance-opensuse.org
So ... if I didn't make any mistakes along the way, would the proper protocol be to create an OBS account and contact Martin Pluskal or file an "Incoming Request" to the maintanance group? Or just go through Bugzilla and let them forward it appropriately?
As always with open source, if I got a response to my "transfig pulls in 2000+ textlive packages" complaint (which is more of a feature request than a bug report) of "That's the way we designed it", that would be acceptable. I'd just be curious if it was instead, "Oh, we didn't realize that. Maybe we'll change it."
Axel Braun wrote:
... `jupyter` ... I guess this is https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1214354%5B1]
Ben Greiner wrote:
That would be me. Did you follow the discussion on the mailinglist and https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1214354 ?
Yes, I saw the early discussion (which I can't find now) but not the bugzilla. I'll try reinstalling jupyter (which I removed along with all of 310, plus some 311 dependencies). Thanks. If you look at the development project
Developed at Publishing[1]
The bugowner is WernerFink[2], Martin Pluskal is the most recent contributor though
So ... if I didn't make any mistakes along the way, would the proper protocol be to create an OBS account and contact Martin Pluskal or file an "Incoming Request" to the maintanance group? Or just go through Bugzilla and let them forward it appropriately?
Requests are for code changes (new versions...) Once logged-in, you can pop into the devel project/package Users' page[3] and you'll see on the right a letter icon with the email address of the person so that you can contact them The best way for that is, when available, to use the sidebars' Report Bug button, as it will have preassigned the bug to the correct person already (wernerfink here) If it doesn't exist, you could assign (Show advanced fields on Bugzilla and pop in the email address you found earlier) the bug to the most recent contributor Regards, Nicolas FORMICHELLA [1]: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/Publishing/transfig [2]: https://build.opensuse.org/users/WernerFink [3]: https://build.opensuse.org/package/users/Publishing/transfig
On 8/23/23 07:50, Nicolas FORMICHELLA wrote:
Aug 22, 2023 23:49:03 Mark Rubin via openSUSE Factory <factory@lists.opensuse.org>:
The bugowner is WernerFink[2], Martin Pluskal is the most recent contributor though
So ... if I didn't make any mistakes along the way, would the proper protocol be to create an OBS account and contact Martin Pluskal or file an "Incoming Request" to the maintanance group? Or just go through Bugzilla and let them forward it appropriately?
Requests are for code changes (new versions...)
Once logged-in, you can pop into the devel project/package Users' page[3] and you'll see on the right a letter icon with the email address of the person so that you can contact them
The best way for that is, when available, to use the sidebars' Report Bug button, as it will have preassigned the bug to the correct person already (wernerfink here)
If it doesn't exist, you could assign (Show advanced fields on Bugzilla and pop in the email address you found earlier) the bug to the most recent contributor
You can also use "osc maintainer -e <package>" to list maintainer's emails rather then usernames. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
On 23.08.2023 00:48, Mark Rubin via openSUSE Factory wrote:
So ... if I didn't make any mistakes along the way, would the proper protocol be to create an OBS account and contact Martin Pluskal or file an "Incoming Request" to the maintanance group? Or just go through Bugzilla and let them forward it appropriately?
OBS is using the same user database as bugzilla so you do not need to create any new account (assuming you already have bugzilla).
Nicolas FORMICHELLA wrote:
If you look at the development project ... The bugowner is WernerFink[2], Martin Pluskal is the most recent contributor though
Thanks. Yes, I saw Dr. Werner Fink but his last involvement with the project looked to be 13 years ago so I figured Martin Pluskal (5 months ago) would be a better contact.
Once logged-in, you can pop into the devel project/package Users' page[3] and you'll see on the right a letter icon with the email address of the person so that you can contact them
Yes. That worked. Thanks very much, that was exactly what I was looking for. Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
OBS is using the same user database as bugzilla so you do not need to create any new account (assuming you already have bugzilla).
Yes, that worked. Thanks for the tip. (Although logging into Bugzilla itself still has the longstanding fatal errors, as reported by myself[1] and others[2], despite the fact that I got emails a week ago saying it was fixed. But that's different problem.) [1]: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/N... [2]: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/users@lists.opensuse.org/message/JH...
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