Am 14.07.2015 um 21:53 schrieb Richard Brown:

In a totally different, and more serious topic, how the heck is this openQA job group not showing on the openQA dashboard? :)

I forgot to inject a build number for the ISO. Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Do you have a list which versions of packages there is in this build? On 07/14/2015 11:12 PM, Richard Brown wrote:

On 14 July 2015 at 21:34, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

We still have issues, but we have a first build for Leap hopefully resulting into a first milestone this week.

Have a look at the tests and/or download the ISO from openQA and provide fixes and missing packages to openSUSE:42:

https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse&version=42&groupid=7

Greetings, Stephan

For anyone who's new to openQA, here are my suggested instructions on how to poke around

How To: Get the ISO used in the Tests Step 1. Click on one of the Red or Green dots that represent a finished test Step 2. You're at the 'Test Results' page, this is where you can see the results of this openQA test. By default you're taken to the 'Default' tab, which shows you each test module and all the screenshots taken during that test Step 3. Click the 'Logs & Assets' tab. This is where openQA keeps its logs for that test, as well as a Video recording, and it's 'Assets' (aka ISO's and HDD Disk Images) Step 4. Click on the ISO you want to download, in this case openSUSE-42.1-DVD-x86_64-Build0002-Media.iso Step 5. Congratulations, you now have the same ISO that openQA is using for testing openSUSE Leap 42.1

How To: See tests that are running Step 1. Click on any Yellow dots, these are the tests that are running Step 2. Congratulations, you're now able to see the test running in openQA in Real Time

How To: Use openQA to find and file bugs Step 1. Click on one of the Red or Green dots that represent a finished test Step 2. You're at the 'Test Results' page, this is where you can see the results of this openQA test. By default you're taken to the 'Default' tab, which shows you each test module and all the screenshots taken during that test Step 3. Look at the screenshots, do they all make sense to you? Pay attention especially to any screenshots in rows that are marked Red/Failed..they're probably bad and broken. Don't always assume the Green ones are perfect, sometimes we make mistakes with our automated tests :) Step 4. File bugs accordingly, good bug reports should always have logs attached, luckily openQA includes many logs in it's "Logs & Assets" Tab Step 4a. Just skip step 4 and fix the problems right away

...which reminds me..Coolo, what's the submission procedure for Leap 42.1? :)

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On 14 July 2015 at 22:58, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Richard Brown wrote:

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How To: See tests that are running Step 1. Click on any Yellow dots, these are the tests that are running Step 2. Congratulations, you're now able to see the test running in openQA in Real Time

I just clicked on KDE's yellow dot:

Took me to https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/71741

I think I saw plasma5 being installed. Did my eyes deceive me?

Is Leap already to the point that it has a plasma5 package and openQA is already installing it (successfully may be a different matter.)

Greg

https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/71741 The results are in.. The answer is.. Yes Now we just need to fix Thunderbird, Chromium, Amarok, rebooting, inkscape, gnucash, and probably a few dozen hundred other things.. ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

Am 14.07.2015 um 23:04 schrieb Richard Brown:

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Now we just need to fix Thunderbird

by consistent rebuild I guess? Or what am I supposed to do against this specific failure?

Looks like packages like Thuderbird are being pulled from tumbleweed, so it is no surprise the dependencies aren't available in many cases: Look at this list of repos used in Leap's openQA: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/71764/modules/zypper_in/steps/3 But tumbleweed is only building against tumbleweed itself: https://build.opensuse.org/project/repositories/openSUSE:Tumbleweed The best solution I can think of: - Issue a SR for Thunderbird from Tumbleweed to Leap:42 so it gets built against the right dependencies Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas wrote:

Hello!

First of all, congratulations for this milestone, I just can't wait to test it!

I read sometime ago a discussion about the default Kernel in Leap 42.1 and I saw some suggestions about 4.1 LTS. However, this Leap built is showing 3.12.43-4. Did I miss something? Was the default kernel version of Leap already defined or is it just a temporary version?

Thanks, Ronan

Ronan, This is the very first build/boot up of Leap with sources coming straight from SLES 12 for everything. I don't think a single SR has even been pushed to it yet. ie. the request list is empty: https://build.opensuse.org/project/requests/openSUSE:42 The kernel team has agreed conceptually with 4.1 LTS being the kernel for Leap 42.1, but I think you're premature to expect anything except pure SLES 12 functionality at this point. The shockingly positive thing is a lot of Tumbleweed RPMs are being pulled in directly to Leap:42.1 and apparently running to some extent. I'm very surprised at how much is working, not by how little is working. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 14.07.2015 um 23:10 schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer:

Am 14.07.2015 um 23:04 schrieb Richard Brown:

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Now we just need to fix Thunderbird

by consistent rebuild I guess? Or what am I supposed to do against this specific failure?

We need to get a FTP repository of 42 out - otherwise we test something very bizarre. The config is still using factory repos Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/15/2015 07:06 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

We continue developing in openSUSE:42 till shortly before RC1

When will that be? Is there a schedule somewhere? ... The roadmap [0] seems to be a bit out-dated. [0] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap Thanks & have a nice day, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 09:55, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am 15.07.2015 um 23:37 schrieb Bernhard Voelker:

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On 07/15/2015 07:06 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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We continue developing in openSUSE:42 till shortly before RC1

When will that be? Is there a schedule somewhere? ... The roadmap [0] seems to be a bit out-dated.

[0] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap

A fair question, but I have no answer to that - we still don't even have a build starting GNOME. I drafted a 13.3 roadmap at some point, which would still nice to get close to:

http://stephan.kulow.org/opensuse_13.3/

Greetings, Stephan

IMHO: Well, to get the full setup for Leap 42, including QA similar to TW, I would put down about a month minimum, add to that another two weeks to get in a fresh LTS Kernel (4.1.x), so, about 6 - 8 weeks later than your projected schedule at minimum. Heartfelt thanks for the work invested. - Yamaban. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Hi, I think TW repos are there 'by default' for now but should not actually be used. Repos for 42.1 should be in the works. For now testing should focus only on what's available in the disk image. rgds Paul On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Takashi Iwai wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:34:41 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

We still have issues, but we have a first build for Leap hopefully resulting into a first milestone this week.

Have a look at the tests and/or download the ISO from openQA and provide fixes and missing packages to openSUSE:42:

https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse&version=42&groupid=7

Some errors of aplay test seems triggered by the difference of ncurses between SLE12 and Tumbleweed. For example, if I install 42 and try to upgrade alsa-utils.rpm from repo-oss, it gives the same error. (I tried to install 42 even on a bare metal! :)

This made me wonder whether the repo setup (using Tumbleweed as an update) is correct. Is it?

In anyway, all ALSA-related packages I've been maintaining (alsa, alsa-utils, alsa-firmware, alsa-plugins, alsa-tools) can be taken from Tumbleweed safely. They must be backward compatible.

About the sound related stuff, also pulseaudio is a thing that can be taken from FACTORY fairly safely. The recent PA package just follows the upstream development, and the upstream became much saner than in the past a few years ago.

How can one handle such requests?

thanks,

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On 17 July 2015 at 14:59, Takashi Iwai wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:33:51 +0200, Paul Gonin wrote:

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Hi,

I think TW repos are there 'by default' for now but should not actually be used. Repos for 42.1 should be in the works.

For now testing should focus only on what's available in the disk image.

Yes, but the strange thing is the failure of aplay seen in openQA. The symptom looks like the mixture of the new alsa-utils and the old libncurses. It means that openQA tries to install a Tumbleweed version of alsa-utils package. So the testing itself seems invalid as long as Tumbleweed is registered as the online update repo.

Takashi

Agreed, any test that is installing additional packages (which therefore currently pulls through from Tumbleweed) are invalid Luckily, lots of the tests do not do that, but that's the cause for many of the failures we're seeing there Coolo is working on setting up repositories for Leap 42.1. Once they exist, a new build will be produced which will use them. If its any good (in the all-seeing eyes of openQA), that new build will probably be called 'Milestone 1' and will be the first useful build where human testing is expected to be worthwhile ;) Here's hoping.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 16.07.2015 um 18:02 schrieb Takashi Iwai:

Some errors of aplay test seems triggered by the difference of ncurses between SLE12 and Tumbleweed. For example, if I install 42 and try to upgrade alsa-utils.rpm from repo-oss, it gives the same error. (I tried to install 42 even on a bare metal! :) You must be the first actually ;)

This made me wonder whether the repo setup (using Tumbleweed as an update) is correct. Is it?

No, it's not. We just don't have a repo yet.

In anyway, all ALSA-related packages I've been maintaining (alsa, alsa-utils, alsa-firmware, alsa-plugins, alsa-tools) can be taken from Tumbleweed safely. They must be backward compatible.

Please just submit them to openSUSE:42 - preferably from openSUSE:Factory

About the sound related stuff, also pulseaudio is a thing that can be taken from FACTORY fairly safely. The recent PA package just follows the upstream development, and the upstream became much saner than in the past a few years ago.

Just as above. Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org