Hi List I have created a bug requesting adding the google-talkplugin to openSUSE Non free, please review and add your support :)
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=635607
On Monday 30 August 2010 20:11:20 Malcolm wrote:
Hi List I have created a bug requesting adding the google-talkplugin to openSUSE Non free, please review and add your support :)
We cannot just include packages without a license - and for most non-free packages we would probably need a redistribution license from Google - and those are not easy to get.
For these kind of packages, it's really better to download them yourself,
Andreas
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:52, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 30 August 2010 20:11:20 Malcolm wrote:
Hi List I have created a bug requesting adding the google-talkplugin to openSUSE Non free, please review and add your support :)
We cannot just include packages without a license - and for most non-free packages we would probably need a redistribution license from Google - and those are not easy to get.
For these kind of packages, it's really better to download them yourself,
In principle I agree with what you've said Andreas... the issue here is... Goggle is not (yet?) providing a package for openSUSE. There is only a package for Ubuntu... thus there is nothing available to "download yourself".
Using alien on the deb doesn't provide an installable RPM. If you know what you're doing, you can extract the contents and manually rebuild it into a custom RPM, but.. that's not something your average user can do.
As it is, the majority of openSUSE users are stuck if they want to use Google Talk. They cannot install the DEB file.. alien fails to build an installable RPM, and we can't (for reasons stated) provide a build in non-free. So.. what do we do? Say suck it up and use something else? Say too bad, go use Ubuntu? Say, RTFM and point them at the RPM man page? (Serious questions by the way... more and more I'm seeing 3rd parties who _used_ to build openSUSE RPMs aren't bothering anymore... they just make the Ubuntu DEBs.)
Maybe Google will provide an RPM at some point...who knows...
C.
On Tuesday 31 August 2010 11:15:54 C wrote:
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:52, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 30 August 2010 20:11:20 Malcolm wrote:
Hi List I have created a bug requesting adding the google-talkplugin to openSUSE Non free, please review and add your support :)
We cannot just include packages without a license - and for most non-free packages we would probably need a redistribution license from Google - and those are not easy to get.
For these kind of packages, it's really better to download them yourself,
In principle I agree with what you've said Andreas... the issue here is... Goggle is not (yet?) providing a package for openSUSE. There is only a package for Ubuntu... thus there is nothing available to "download yourself".
Yes, this is unfortunate - but with the unclear legal situation, we cannot do it.
I hope Google will provide an RPM,
Andreas
2010/8/31 C smaug42@gmail.com:
in non-free. So.. what do we do? Say suck it up and use something else? Say too bad, go use Ubuntu? Say, RTFM and point them at the
Just use any other Jingle client? Isn't that plugin just an inconvenient (in a browser window !?!) way to use Jingle?
Le mardi 31 août 2010, à 11:26 +0200, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
On Tuesday 31 August 2010 11:15:54 C wrote:
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:52, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Monday 30 August 2010 20:11:20 Malcolm wrote:
Hi List I have created a bug requesting adding the google-talkplugin to openSUSE Non free, please review and add your support :)
We cannot just include packages without a license - and for most non-free packages we would probably need a redistribution license from Google - and those are not easy to get.
For these kind of packages, it's really better to download them yourself,
In principle I agree with what you've said Andreas... the issue here is... Goggle is not (yet?) providing a package for openSUSE. There is only a package for Ubuntu... thus there is nothing available to "download yourself".
Yes, this is unfortunate - but with the unclear legal situation, we cannot do it.
Can't we contact Google about this to see if we can ship such a rpm, or if they can provide one?
Vincent
Le 31/08/2010 11:15, C a écrit :
In principle I agree with what you've said Andreas... the issue here is... Goggle is not (yet?) providing a package for openSUSE. There is only a package for Ubuntu... thus there is nothing available to "download yourself".
non free packages are evil again... try as much as possible to avoid them...
jdd
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On 2010-08-31 11:15, C wrote:
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:52, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
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As it is, the majority of openSUSE users are stuck if they want to use Google Talk. They cannot install the DEB file.. alien fails to build an installable RPM, and we can't (for reasons stated) provide a build in non-free. So.. what do we do? Say suck it up and use something else? Say too bad, go use Ubuntu? Say, RTFM and point them at the RPM man page? (Serious questions by the way... more and more I'm seeing 3rd parties who _used_ to build openSUSE RPMs aren't bothering anymore... they just make the Ubuntu DEBs.)
And some provide an rpm built by alien from a deb, and don't even test to see if it works - and doesn't.
Maybe Google will provide an RPM at some point...who knows...
I'm hoping for it. But they are taking their time :-(
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))
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On 2010-08-31 11:33, Cristian Morales Vega wrote:
2010/8/31 C smaug42@gmail.com:
in non-free. So.. what do we do? Say suck it up and use something else? Say too bad, go use Ubuntu? Say, RTFM and point them at the
Just use any other Jingle client? Isn't that plugin just an inconvenient (in a browser window !?!) way to use Jingle?
According to the wikipedia page on jingle, google has its own additions to the protocol:
The libjingle library, used by Google Talk to implement Jingle, has been released to the public under a BSD license. However, the version of the protocol implemented in libjingle differs from that published by the XMPP Standards Foundation.
...
[edit] Clients supporting Jingle
# Google Talk (not fully compatible with specification, does not work with all clients)
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Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))
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On 2010-08-31 12:35, jdd wrote:
Le 31/08/2010 11:15, C a écrit :
In principle I agree with what you've said Andreas... the issue here is... Goggle is not (yet?) providing a package for openSUSE. There is only a package for Ubuntu... thus there is nothing available to "download yourself".
non free packages are evil again... try as much as possible to avoid them...
I don't know how free or unfree it is. However, gmail video conferencing or whatever it is called, is very interesting in principle because you can just say to somebody "get to gmail and click on chat" - and get it done with no hassles. Typically people point you to hotmail, which doesn't work in linux (1). Gmail is popular, so a linux client that can communicate with windows users, just use it, no need to tell them to install strange things like ekiga and manipulate the router... that's fantastic for non technical people.
Or for technical people like me that just want to talk with people that don't know one end of the computer from another.
(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VoIP_software
and see how "many" possibilities are there for windows-linux communication.
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Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))
Le 31/08/2010 14:32, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
it, no need to tell them to install strange things like ekiga and manipulate the router... that's fantastic for non technical people.
but prevent opensource solution to come. why go from a jail to an other jail? Goggle is no more trustable than Microsoft (in the long term)
jdd
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On 2010-08-31 22:29, jdd wrote:
Le 31/08/2010 14:32, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
it, no need to tell them to install strange things like ekiga and manipulate the router... that's fantastic for non technical people.
but prevent opensource solution to come. why go from a jail to an other jail? Goggle is no more trustable than Microsoft (in the long term)
I do prefer opensource, but I need, want, to talk to non-technical people living far away, which only use Windows. What I use currently is POT, very closed source and payware per minute.
I would be content not having to boot Windows for the task. Me, I mean.
I'm also attempting to use Ekiga. I tried to connect two computers in the same network (in order to test the hardware) and it was impossible, both hang and do not work. The two ekigas see one another, but the called party does not produce even noise, and the other is sending a continuous, non-stop, stream of data over the network. One of the two has to be killed. If I reverse calling from one to the other result is the same, only that it is the other onw which has to be killed (I don't remember if it is the caller or the called).
I still would have to test calling outside instead, that's a pending task. Perhaps inside the same network is impossible (IP to IP, no gatekeeper or whatever)
However, convincing the party I want to talk to, to install Ekiga in their windows machine, and then configuring the router or whatever they have to open the appropriate ports, is utterly impossible, for people that are not geeky at all.
What I have seen this kind of people use is hotmail chat, IIRC. Gmail at least has a Linux client.
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Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))
Le mardi 31 août 2010 à 14:19 +0200, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
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On 2010-08-31 11:15, C wrote:
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:52, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
...
As it is, the majority of openSUSE users are stuck if they want to use Google Talk. They cannot install the DEB file.. alien fails to build an installable RPM, and we can't (for reasons stated) provide a build in non-free. So.. what do we do? Say suck it up and use something else? Say too bad, go use Ubuntu? Say, RTFM and point them at the RPM man page? (Serious questions by the way... more and more I'm seeing 3rd parties who _used_ to build openSUSE RPMs aren't bothering anymore... they just make the Ubuntu DEBs.)
And some provide an rpm built by alien from a deb, and don't even test to see if it works - and doesn't.
Maybe Google will provide an RPM at some point...who knows...
I'm hoping for it. But they are taking their time :-(
It is available from Google website now.
Of course, you can use Empathy which supports audio and video calls with Google Talk for almost a year now and is full Free Software.
On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:16:35 +0200 Frederic Crozat fcrozat@novell.com wrote:
Le mardi 31 août 2010 à 14:19 +0200, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
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On 2010-08-31 11:15, C wrote:
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:52, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
...
As it is, the majority of openSUSE users are stuck if they want to use Google Talk. They cannot install the DEB file.. alien fails to build an installable RPM, and we can't (for reasons stated) provide a build in non-free. So.. what do we do? Say suck it up and use something else? Say too bad, go use Ubuntu? Say, RTFM and point them at the RPM man page? (Serious questions by the way... more and more I'm seeing 3rd parties who _used_ to build openSUSE RPMs aren't bothering anymore... they just make the Ubuntu DEBs.)
And some provide an rpm built by alien from a deb, and don't even test to see if it works - and doesn't.
Maybe Google will provide an RPM at some point...who knows...
I'm hoping for it. But they are taking their time :-(
It is available from Google website now.
Of course, you can use Empathy which supports audio and video calls with Google Talk for almost a year now and is full Free Software.
Hi And it doesn't work :( I posted a note, so hopefully will fix;
Problem: nothing provides libcrypto.so.10 needed by google-talkplugin-1.5.1.0-1.x86_64 Solution 1: do not install google-talkplugin-1.5.1.0-1.x86_64 Solution 2: break google-talkplugin by ignoring some of its dependencies
It should be libcrypto.1.0.0
[Google needs an account on OBS!]
* Malcolm malcolm_lewis@bellsouth.net [09-01-10 11:26]:
Problem: nothing provides libcrypto.so.10 needed by google-talkplugin-1.5.1.0-1.x86_64 Solution 1: do not install google-talkplugin-1.5.1.0-1.x86_64 Solution 2: break google-talkplugin by ignoring some of its dependencies
It should be libcrypto.1.0.0
[Google needs an account on OBS!]
it also requires libssl.so.10
and libopenssl containing libcrypto.1.0 does not exist (or I cannot find) for 11.2 :^(
nor the source rpms to allow recompiling.
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 10:17:39AM -0500, Malcolm wrote:
On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:16:35 +0200 Frederic Crozat fcrozat@novell.com wrote:
Le mardi 31 août 2010 à 14:19 +0200, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
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On 2010-08-31 11:15, C wrote:
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:52, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
...
As it is, the majority of openSUSE users are stuck if they want to use Google Talk. They cannot install the DEB file.. alien fails to build an installable RPM, and we can't (for reasons stated) provide a build in non-free. So.. what do we do? Say suck it up and use something else? Say too bad, go use Ubuntu? Say, RTFM and point them at the RPM man page? (Serious questions by the way... more and more I'm seeing 3rd parties who _used_ to build openSUSE RPMs aren't bothering anymore... they just make the Ubuntu DEBs.)
And some provide an rpm built by alien from a deb, and don't even test to see if it works - and doesn't.
Maybe Google will provide an RPM at some point...who knows...
I'm hoping for it. But they are taking their time :-(
It is available from Google website now.
Of course, you can use Empathy which supports audio and video calls with Google Talk for almost a year now and is full Free Software.
And it doesn't work :( I posted a note, so hopefully will fix;
Problem: nothing provides libcrypto.so.10 needed by google-talkplugin-1.5.1.0-1.x86_64 Solution 1: do not install google-talkplugin-1.5.1.0-1.x86_64 Solution 2: break google-talkplugin by ignoring some of its dependencies
It should be libcrypto.1.0.0
[Google needs an account on OBS!]
And how should that help?
As long as the sources of the talkplugin aren't available under a redistributeable license this is impossible. Hasn't Andreas <aj> stated this before?
It might be better to suggest to Google to use an own openSUSE Build Service instance to create all different kind of binary packages fitting well into the target operating systems (SUSE, RedHad, Fedora, Debian, etc.).
Lars
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 17:45:40 +0200 Lars Müller lmuelle@suse.de wrote:
It might be better to suggest to Google to use an own openSUSE Build Service instance to create all different kind of binary packages fitting well into the target operating systems (SUSE, RedHad, Fedora, Debian, etc.).
Hi Yes, that's what I meant... a typo (not enough coffee in my system yet)
Does someone on the project side talk with the google people at all?
2010/9/1 Carlos E. R. robin.listas@gmail.com:
However, convincing the party I want to talk to, to install Ekiga in their windows machine, and then configuring the router or whatever they have to open the appropriate ports, is utterly impossible, for people that are not geeky at all.
Ekiga supports STUN, shouldn't be any need to touch the router.
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On 2010-09-01 12:16, Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le mardi 31 août 2010 à 14:19 +0200, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
It is available from Google website now.
Ah, thats new.
Testing...
Elessar:~ # rpm --install --test /home/cer/Download/google-talkplugin_current_x86_64.rpm warning: /home/cer/Download/google-talkplugin_current_x86_64.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 7fac5991 error: Failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.10 is needed by google-talkplugin-1.5.1.0-1.x86_64 libssl.so.10 is needed by google-talkplugin-1.5.1.0-1.x86_64
I have:
libopenssl0_9_8-32bit-0.9.8k-3.7.1.x86_64 libopenssl0_9_8-32bit-0.9.8k-3.7.1.x86_64
which seems to be too old :-?
Anyway, I installed with --nodeps, firefox says it is installed, and gmail (dog-slow today)... I'm not sure if it sees it.
How do I know if it works? I don't see anything that allows for testing the setup. In "settings" it is still offering me to install the plugin, but firefox says it is installed. Two computers, same thing. I do see an entry on the lef hand menu that says "call phone", so it must be active... :-?
Any automatic test site somewhere?
Now, this is funny. The google rpm started an "at" job, which I could not see in time. Now, when I start yast software management, I see it has added the google repo.
Ah, the install script in the rpm:
service atd start echo "sh /etc/cron.daily/google-talkplugin" | at now + 2 minute exit 0
Of course, you can use Empathy which supports audio and video calls with Google Talk for almost a year now and is full Free Software.
Didn't know that.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))
On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:56:08 +0200 "Carlos E. R." robin.listas@gmail.com wrote:
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On 2010-09-01 12:16, Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le mardi 31 août 2010 à 14:19 +0200, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
It is available from Google website now.
Ah, thats new.
Testing...
Elessar:~ # rpm --install --test /home/cer/Download/google-talkplugin_current_x86_64.rpm warning: /home/cer/Download/google-talkplugin_current_x86_64.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 7fac5991 error: Failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.10 is needed by google-talkplugin-1.5.1.0-1.x86_64 libssl.so.10 is needed by google-talkplugin-1.5.1.0-1.x86_64
I have:
libopenssl0_9_8-32bit-0.9.8k-3.7.1.x86_64 libopenssl0_9_8-32bit-0.9.8k-3.7.1.x86_64
which seems to be too old :-?
Anyway, I installed with --nodeps, firefox says it is installed, and gmail (dog-slow today)... I'm not sure if it sees it.
How do I know if it works? I don't see anything that allows for testing the setup. In "settings" it is still offering me to install the plugin, but firefox says it is installed. Two computers, same thing. I do see an entry on the lef hand menu that says "call phone", so it must be active... :-?
Any automatic test site somewhere?
Now, this is funny. The google rpm started an "at" job, which I could not see in time. Now, when I start yast software management, I see it has added the google repo.
Ah, the install script in the rpm:
service atd start echo "sh /etc/cron.daily/google-talkplugin" | at now + 2 minute exit 0
Of course, you can use Empathy which supports audio and video calls with Google Talk for almost a year now and is full Free Software.
Didn't know that.
Cheers / Saludos,
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Yes I posted on their help forum, they say create softlinks... it will work for fedora >= 12
I removed the cron job LOL it goes in cron.daily not sure about the links either I used for firefox.... afaik it should be /usr/lib{arch}/browser-plugins
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On 2010-09-01 22:21, Malcolm wrote:
On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:56:08 +0200> "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Didn't know that.
Yes I posted on their help forum, they say create softlinks... it will work for fedora >= 12
I got it working. You have to cd to /usr/lib/ (even with the x64 plugin), and there create the symlinks - in my case for oS 11.2:
ln -s libssl.so.0.9.8 libssl.so.10 ln -s libcrypto.so.0.9.8 libcrypto.so.10
without that, FF loads the plugin, but not gmail, it refuses to use it.
I managed to connect (video) with two computers (two gmail accounts) in the same local network (this is impossible with Ekiga). Quite nice.
I removed the cron job LOL it goes in cron.daily not sure about the links either I used for firefox.... afaik it should be /usr/lib{arch}/browser-plugins
I didn't create any, the RPM does that part, I think.
The cronjob is a hack. It reads:
# This script is part of the google-talkplugin package. # # It creates the repository configuration file for package updates, since # we cannot do this during the google-talkplugin installation since the repository # is locked. # # This functionality can be controlled by creating the $DEFAULTS_FILE and # setting "repo_add_once" to "true" or "false" as desired. An empty # $DEFAULTS_FILE is the same as setting the value to "false".
I think it simply adds the repo to zypper/yast this way, in case the database was busy at the installation time and failed. This would only be "needed" if the rpm is installed directly.
It should be safe to remove, but I wonder if you update the rpm, if it will be recreated :-?
There is a mention of a config file:
DEFAULTS_FILE="/etc/default/google-talkplugin" which contains:
repo_add_once="false"
but it is not for impeding the cron job.
The thing is, once the repo is added, the cron job should be remove, its task is done. I think they forgot to do so.
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