[opensuse-factory] splitting the update repo in oss/non-oss?
Hi, openSUSE currently has separate repos for free software according to the free software definition and software that is not free according to that definition (*:NonFree projects in obs). There's only one update repo though that mixes both types of software again. Question is whether we should clean that up an have two update repos. One for oss and one for non-oss. Advantage of two repos is the clear separation of non-free components of course. You can't accidentally build against non-free stuff then. Disadvantage might be that this would add two more repos to a default installation (the non-oss update repo itself and a separate debuginfo repo). Any opinions on the matter? cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le lundi 25 juin 2012 à 14:48 +0200, Ludwig Nussel a écrit :
Hi,
openSUSE currently has separate repos for free software according to the free software definition and software that is not free according to that definition (*:NonFree projects in obs). There's only one update repo though that mixes both types of software again.
Question is whether we should clean that up an have two update repos. One for oss and one for non-oss. Advantage of two repos is the clear separation of non-free components of course. You can't accidentally build against non-free stuff then. Disadvantage might be that this would add two more repos to a default installation (the non-oss update repo itself and a separate debuginfo repo).
Any opinions on the matter?
I'd say split update, to make sure non-free stuff doesn't "pollute" free repository. -- Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com> SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le lundi 25 juin 2012, à 14:56 +0200, Frederic Crozat a écrit :
Le lundi 25 juin 2012 à 14:48 +0200, Ludwig Nussel a écrit :
Hi,
openSUSE currently has separate repos for free software according to the free software definition and software that is not free according to that definition (*:NonFree projects in obs). There's only one update repo though that mixes both types of software again.
Question is whether we should clean that up an have two update repos. One for oss and one for non-oss. Advantage of two repos is the clear separation of non-free components of course. You can't accidentally build against non-free stuff then. Disadvantage might be that this would add two more repos to a default installation (the non-oss update repo itself and a separate debuginfo repo).
Any opinions on the matter?
I'd say split update, to make sure non-free stuff doesn't "pollute" free repository.
+1 Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-06-25 14:48, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Any opinions on the matter?
Any possibility of reducing metadata size? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/oYNQACgkQIvFNjefEBxo3LwCgrZ5KMFJszIhRJt/wSoQBcLG2 6gUAoKGQg+PLvrDIEmTots/P4btp0kbu =dVAl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Quoting "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net>:
On 2012-06-25 14:48, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Any opinions on the matter?
+1. Make sure that there will be something about it in the release notes (and in the wiki (and in our docs)).
Any possibility of reducing metadata size?
Do not install Non-Free stuff. Otherwise your question is unrelated to Ludwig's proposal ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 2012-06-26 06:50, Karl Eichwalder wrote:
Quoting "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net>:
On 2012-06-25 14:48, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Any opinions on the matter?
Any possibility of reducing metadata size?
Yes, by splitting off non-oss, the metadata will be reduced by a few bytes, so, mission accomplished :p -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2012-06-26 at 06:50 +0200, Karl Eichwalder wrote:
Quoting "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net>:
Any possibility of reducing metadata size?
Do not install Non-Free stuff. Otherwise your question is unrelated to Ludwig's proposal ;)
True, but I'm just taking the cance to remind you of a previous proposal to do so ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/qQgcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VyBgCfcvBvjt0zsVT+HXGOh4/Z20rv EjsAn0E/UpIn4XseNRU68JduDBayCczq =Klrt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 25.06.2012 14:48, schrieb Ludwig Nussel:
Hi,
openSUSE currently has separate repos for free software according to the free software definition and software that is not free according to that definition (*:NonFree projects in obs). There's only one update repo though that mixes both types of software again.
Question is whether we should clean that up an have two update repos. One for oss and one for non-oss. Advantage of two repos is the clear separation of non-free components of course. You can't accidentally build against non-free stuff then. Disadvantage might be that this would add two more repos to a default installation (the non-oss update repo itself and a separate debuginfo repo).
Any opinions on the matter?
my opinion: If you do the split, do it for 12.3-MS1 so that we have time to verify that everything works as expected. Ciao Bernhard M. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/pu+AACgkQSTYLOx37oWREEACgj3iI9D5iulgEyj/joap6on2i 9UAAnRSjdUsqGg2RMjibgrOwc9ZIkcjc =Eph3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Montag, 25. Juni 2012 schrieb Ludwig Nussel:
Question is whether we should clean that up an have two update repos. One for oss and one for non-oss. Advantage of two repos is the clear separation of non-free components of course. You can't accidentally build against non-free stuff then.
Did such an "accident" ever happen in practise for the update repo? Or is this just a theoretical problem? (I'd say the update repo is the repo with the best review and QA, so I doubt such an "accident" will happen. Feel free to prove me wrong ;-)
Disadvantage might be that this would add two more repos to a default installation (the non-oss update repo itself and a separate debuginfo repo).
And another "update-non-oss-test" repo. libzypp is quite fast, but having two more repos won't make it faster ;-)
Any opinions on the matter?
I'm not the biggest fan of it ;-) - and I'm not sure if having some more repos "just" to keep non-oss packages perfectly separated makes sense. I mean, if you don't install non-oss programs, you won't get updates for them, right? ;-) Besides that, I agree with Bernhard that this change should wait for 12.3 MS1 - 12.2 already has enough things that need to be fixed ;-) (Unrelated sidenote: I had lots of fun[tm] to get my laptop working today - it seems systemd-journal sometimes likes to segfault which broke various things, including X :-/ - bug 768953 covers the first part, I'll have to do some research before I can report the bigger failures. The very latest aaa_base (downloaded with osc getbinaries) seems to be involved somehow, but that's all I can say for now.) Regards, Christian Boltz -- Erstes Gesetz WWW: Du mögest trennen die Spinnen und Indianer von den Usern und jedem sein eigen Grund und Heim zuteilen auf das der eine nicht neidisch werde auf den anderen und begehre dessen Heim und Gut. *lach* [Thomas Templin in suse-linux] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 25.06.2012 14:48, schrieb Ludwig Nussel:
Hi,
openSUSE currently has separate repos for free software according to the free software definition and software that is not free according to that definition (*:NonFree projects in obs). There's only one update repo though that mixes both types of software again.
Question is whether we should clean that up an have two update repos. One for oss and one for non-oss. Advantage of two repos is the clear separation of non-free components of course. You can't accidentally build against non-free stuff then. Disadvantage might be that this would add two more repos to a default installation (the non-oss update repo itself and a separate debuginfo repo).
Any opinions on the matter?
Just to keep you informed: Luwdig went forward and we changed it that for 12.2 - so please watch out for problems with it on RC1. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/07/12 10:17, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Just to keep you informed: Luwdig went forward and we changed it that for 12.2 - so please watch out for problems with it on RC1.
Just clarify please You mean update has been split to oss and non-oss? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 02.07.2012 11:20, schrieb Carl Fletcher:
On 02/07/12 10:17, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Just to keep you informed: Luwdig went forward and we changed it that for 12.2 - so please watch out for problems with it on RC1.
Just clarify please
You mean update has been split to oss and non-oss?
update/12.2 has got a new sister update/12.2-non-oss - just check download.opensuse.org for more details Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/07/12 10:21, Stephan Kulow wrote:
update/12.2 has got a new sister update/12.2-non-oss - just check download.opensuse.org for more details Got it Thanks
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Hello, Am Montag, 2. Juli 2012 schrieb Stephan Kulow:
update/12.2 has got a new sister update/12.2-non-oss - just check download.opensuse.org for more details
It seems to be only a half-sister ;-) - I don't see update/12.2-test-non-oss for non-oss test updates. Will you create such a repo? Regards, Christian Boltz -- Die Erde ist ein Würfel, das weiß doch wirklich jeder - und Amerika geht über drei Ecken davon, darum ist dort alles ein bißchen komisch. [Stefan Hundhammer in suse-programming] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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