Quoting Jon Nelson :

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Fadi Moukayed wrote:

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Hi release team,

The Pulseaudio package currently in Factory causes an issue (Specifically: A 2 - 4 second delay before event sounds are played) with KDE event notifications (This seems to be a recurring problem on distros using PA 2.1 in combination w/ KDE >= 4.9.x [1]).

Will PA 3.0 (Which fixes this issue) make it into 12.3? And if not, can the maintainer please add the following patch [2] from PA's 'stable-2.x' branch? (Which also fixes the delay problem, along with another similar issue, related to Skype [3]).

I surely hope PA 3.0 gets into Factory!

See http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2013-02/msg00077.html Nothing changed since this mail... and nobody did any work towards any change. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

2013/2/8 Takashi Iwai :

At Fri, 08 Feb 2013 18:27:03 +0100, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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Quoting Jon Nelson :

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Fadi Moukayed wrote:

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Hi release team,

The Pulseaudio package currently in Factory causes an issue (Specifically: A 2 - 4 second delay before event sounds are played) with KDE event notifications (This seems to be a recurring problem on distros using PA 2.1 in combination w/ KDE >= 4.9.x [1]).

Will PA 3.0 (Which fixes this issue) make it into 12.3? And if not, can the maintainer please add the following patch [2] from PA's 'stable-2.x' branch? (Which also fixes the delay problem, along with another similar issue, related to Skype [3]).

I surely hope PA 3.0 gets into Factory!

See http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2013-02/msg00077.html

Nothing changed since this mail... and nobody did any work towards any change.

FACTORY already took PA 3.0, and I submitted MR to 12.3:Update today. So, PA 3.0 will appear in the 12.3 update repo.

What is the real benefit of PA? In many cases it must be disabled to get all the controls on the mixer. A off topic question to Takashi: The sfxload utility is valid to upload the soundfonts files to a Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro Series PCI Express Sound Card? Thanks -- USA LINUX OPENSUSE QUE ES SOFTWARE LIBRE, NO NECESITAS PIRATEAR NADA Y NI TE VAS A PREOCUPAR MAS POR LOS VIRUS Y SPYWARES: http://www.opensuse.org/es/ Puedes visitar mi blog en: http://jerbes.blogspot.com.ar/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

At Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:37:28 -0300, Juan Erbes wrote:

2013/2/8 Takashi Iwai :

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At Fri, 08 Feb 2013 18:27:03 +0100, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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Quoting Jon Nelson :

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Fadi Moukayed wrote:

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Hi release team,

The Pulseaudio package currently in Factory causes an issue (Specifically: A 2 - 4 second delay before event sounds are played) with KDE event notifications (This seems to be a recurring problem on distros using PA 2.1 in combination w/ KDE >= 4.9.x [1]).

Will PA 3.0 (Which fixes this issue) make it into 12.3? And if not, can the maintainer please add the following patch [2] from PA's 'stable-2.x' branch? (Which also fixes the delay problem, along with another similar issue, related to Skype [3]).

I surely hope PA 3.0 gets into Factory!

See http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2013-02/msg00077.html

Nothing changed since this mail... and nobody did any work towards any change.

FACTORY already took PA 3.0, and I submitted MR to 12.3:Update today. So, PA 3.0 will appear in the 12.3 update repo.

What is the real benefit of PA? In many cases it must be disabled to get all the controls on the mixer.

It's an off-topic question, and people may have different answers :)

A off topic question to Takashi: The sfxload utility is valid to upload the soundfonts files to a Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro Series PCI Express Sound Card?

No, the information about DSP on X-Fi isn't published, so we can't implement the MIDI synth there. Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday 08 February 2013 20:59:31 Will Stephenson wrote:

Any indication that the request will be accepted? Would it be possible to backport the fix to PA 2.x (is this maintained as a stable branch?) rather than risking further regressions in PA 3.0?

It seems this commit fix problem. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/commit/?h=stable-2.x&id=afbc9dbe49325882dbfad9a068d8d0537f3a62a1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 08/02/13 21:16, Dmitry Roshchin wrote:

On Friday 08 February 2013 20:59:31 Will Stephenson wrote:

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Any indication that the request will be accepted? Would it be possible to backport the fix to PA 2.x (is this maintained as a stable branch?) rather than risking further regressions in PA 3.0?

It seems this commit fix problem. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/commit/?h=stable-2.x&id=afbc9dbe49325882dbfad9a068d8d0537f3a62a1

Added to home:wstephenson:branches:openSUSE:12.3/pulseaudio, SR #154954 This does fix the delays to KDE sound notifications, which I had also observed. I haven't tested Skype yet. And sorry Fadi, I overlooked your link to this patch in the original mail. Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

El 08/02/13 17:26, Will Stephenson escribió:

Can anyone who knows more about PA than me assess whether patching 2.1 with this is a better bet than rushing 3.0 into 12.3?

If there is something wrong in PA 3.0 then we should fix that instead of insisting on keeping old-arse stuff around for the next 2 years...no ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

El 08/02/13 19:32, Will Stephenson escribió:

"Version freeze" ring any bells?

Of course it rings bells, actually rings a huge gong, that announces a dogma someone decided to put in place in an arbitrary fashion without providing any evidence whatsoever on its effectiveness.

You're trolling me, right?

No, I am not trolling anyone, I am questioning the validity of the unsupported assumption that somehow strictly following to a policy will make things better for users and manageable for developers. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 09.02.2013 00:08, schrieb Claudio Freire:

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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"Version freeze" ring any bells?

Of course it rings bells, actually rings a huge gong, that announces a dogma someone decided to put in place in an arbitrary fashion without providing any evidence whatsoever on its effectiveness.

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You're trolling me, right?

No, I am not trolling anyone, I am questioning the validity of the unsupported assumption that somehow strictly following to a policy will make things better for users and manageable for developers.

The policy is sound. It doesn't prohibit version upgrades, it only requires good reasons. Fixing a slew of serious bugs would qualify I would imagine.

What's weird is why hasn't anyone provided a list of them? That's the maintainer's task - or anyone else with the ability and willingness to provide such a list in the ML, in fact. The more that list is delayed, the less likely PA 3.0 is of getting into 12.3, not because of capricious policies, but because it is risky to make such a big move without proper testing windows.

To get the testing done, I asked Takashi to get it in the update repos. The API didn't appear to have changed, nor did the soname change, so it should be pretty easy to test and verify if it's causing regressions. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

At Sat, 09 Feb 2013 10:02:38 +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am 09.02.2013 00:08, schrieb Claudio Freire:

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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"Version freeze" ring any bells?

Of course it rings bells, actually rings a huge gong, that announces a dogma someone decided to put in place in an arbitrary fashion without providing any evidence whatsoever on its effectiveness.

...

You're trolling me, right?

No, I am not trolling anyone, I am questioning the validity of the unsupported assumption that somehow strictly following to a policy will make things better for users and manageable for developers.

The policy is sound. It doesn't prohibit version upgrades, it only requires good reasons. Fixing a slew of serious bugs would qualify I would imagine.

What's weird is why hasn't anyone provided a list of them? That's the maintainer's task - or anyone else with the ability and willingness to provide such a list in the ML, in fact. The more that list is delayed, the less likely PA 3.0 is of getting into 12.3, not because of capricious policies, but because it is risky to make such a big move without proper testing windows.

To get the testing done, I asked Takashi to get it in the update repos. The API didn't appear to have changed, nor did the soname change, so it should be pretty easy to test and verify if it's causing regressions.

Right, if it were ABI/API incompatible, I wouldn't suggest for such an upgrade. And if PA devs will maintain 2.x branch, we can keep the old version and patching there easily. But, as you know, it doesn't happen there. The bugs of PA are not only this one. There are many other major bugs that have been fixed in 3.0. So, simply keeping 2.1 costs too much. In other words, if anyone wants to volunteer to handle / backport all such bug fixes, I'm fine to keep 2.1 without upgrade. Don't hesitate to step up. Then you'll be marked as the bug owner to handle all PA-related bugs on openSUSE 12.3 and later as a gratis bonus! :) Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org