Re: [opensuse-factory] ZMD consumes 70-85% cpu during more than 150 minutes...
Reply on 06-11-2006 14:51:33 <<<> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
Hi,
As subject,
2958 root 34 19 215m 12m 3428 R 80.2 2.6 55:03.02 zmd 2958 root 34 19 215m 15m 3860 R 79.6 3.2 118:37.63 zmd 2958 root 34 19 215m 15m 3856 R 76.7 3.2 162:21.22 zmd
Hey, do we have to expect such a mail every few minutes now on the list? Maybe the best would be to open a BugZilla tracker or find out what happened? Will help you and everybody much more than having this message every few minutes. Greetings, Dominique
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Reply on 06-11-2006 14:51:33 <<<> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
Hi,
As subject,
2958 root 34 19 215m 12m 3428 R 80.2 2.6 55:03.02 zmd 2958 root 34 19 215m 15m 3860 R 79.6 3.2 118:37.63 zmd 2958 root 34 19 215m 15m 3856 R 76.7 3.2 162:21.22 zmd
Hey,
do we have to expect such a mail every few minutes now on the list? Maybe the best would be to open a BugZilla tracker or find out what happened?
Will help you and everybody much more than having this message every few minutes.
Greetings, Dominique
Is that the reason why you sent the same message twice? Or are you in some way compelled with zmd, so you do not want to see the app is invalid? What I am trying to prove with this, is that the app is useless at this time, (as it was in 101), and that we all need something like smart, and smart update checker, instead of this resources consuming monster, that is not productive at all.... Thnx, and also Gretz. M9.
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Robby (M9.) Verberne schrieb:
What I am trying to prove with this, is that the app is useless at this time, (as it was in 101), and that we all need something like smart, and smart update checker, instead of this resources consuming monster, that is not productive at all....
You don't need to "prove" anything. If it's useless for you, just uninstall it and use another tool as so many other people do. That's why the other tools are there, some of them even on a first-class place on CD3. There are more things to consider for switching the tools and just posting copied and pasted "top" data to the list isn't much more productive either. It won't work this way. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Robby (M9.) Verberne schrieb:
What I am trying to prove with this, is that the app is useless at this time, (as it was in 101), and that we all need something like smart, and smart update checker, instead of this resources consuming monster, that is not productive at all....
You don't need to "prove" anything. If it's useless for you, just uninstall it and use another tool as so many other people do.
Did you you try to uninstall it in 102? There are so many dependencies, that we are stuck with the bloody app. and that is one of the reasons I do not trust this app at all. That's why
the other tools are there, some of them even on a first-class place on CD3.
There are more things to consider for switching the tools and just posting copied and pasted "top" data to the list isn't much more productive either. It won't work this way. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Mandag 06 november 2006 14:43 skrev Robby (M9.) Verberne:
You don't need to "prove" anything. If it's useless for you, just uninstall it and use another tool as so many other people do.
Did you you try to uninstall it in 102? There are so many dependencies, that we are stuck with the bloody app. and that is one of the reasons I do not trust this app at all.
On a 10.2 KDE install I believe Zmd only depends on rug. Maybe also libzypp-zmd-backend, can't remember. I believe a pattern is being provided (in b2) for lightweight package management replacing zen-updater with opensuse-updater and rug with zypper, making zmd obsolete, and YaST much faster. Personally I think this setup shows much promise. But of course both zypper and opensuse-updater are still young. Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Martin Schlander schrieb:
On a 10.2 KDE install I believe Zmd only depends on rug. Maybe also libzypp-zmd-backend, can't remember.
zmd does not depend on rug. rug depends on zmd. The claim that there are so many dependencies on zmd is just wrong. The following packages depend on zmd: rug zen-updater zmd-devel zmd-inventory zmd-debuginfo simias 4 out of these 6 are never installed by default and the other 2 are optional. Whoever has difficulties uninstalling zmd does something wrong. Andreas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Mandag 06 november 2006 14:43 skrev Robby (M9.) Verberne:
You don't need to "prove" anything. If it's useless for you, just uninstall it and use another tool as so many other people do. Did you you try to uninstall it in 102? There are so many dependencies, that we are stuck with the bloody app. and that is one of the reasons I do not trust this app at all.
On a 10.2 KDE install I believe Zmd only depends on rug. Maybe also libzypp-zmd-backend, can't remember.
I believe a pattern is being provided (in b2) for lightweight package management replacing zen-updater with opensuse-updater and rug with zypper, making zmd obsolete, and YaST much faster. Personally I think this setup shows much promise. But of course both zypper and opensuse-updater are still young.
Ok, i get you, but Am i serving any purpose here? Or am i on my own? What I am asking is: Which way do we want to go?
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Mandag 06 november 2006 15:16 skrev Robby (M9.) Verberne:
Ok, i get you, but Am i serving any purpose here? Or am i on my own? What I am asking is: Which way do we want to go?
You're not alone, and you're definitely not the first person to raise the issue, which has been discussed heavily for about 6 months. But you are a bit late, since we are late in development and our last beta is out in a few days. See, for example: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215649 and this thread: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-10/msg00583.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-11/msg00007.html Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Mandag 06 november 2006 15:16 skrev Robby (M9.) Verberne:
Ok, i get you, but Am i serving any purpose here? Or am i on my own? What I am asking is: Which way do we want to go?
You're not alone, and you're definitely not the first person to raise the issue, which has been discussed heavily for about 6 months. But you are a bit late, since we are late in development and our last beta is out in a few days.
I am very sorry about being late, but so it seems the issue is not solved 'by long shot'.... About the dependencies which arent there: #### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2006-11-06 15:31:47 #### pattern:games-10.2-90.x86_64 has missing dependencies Er zijn geen alternatieve ge�stalleerde aanbieders van x11 voor pattern:games-10.2-90.x86_64 Conflictoplossing: ( ) keep x11 ( ) delete games ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Ignore this requirement generally pattern:imaging-10.2-90.x86_64 has missing dependencies Er zijn geen alternatieve ge�stalleerde aanbieders van x11 voor pattern:imaging-10.2-90.x86_64 Conflictoplossing: ( ) keep x11 ( ) delete imaging ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Ignore this requirement generally pattern:kde-10.2-90.x86_64 has missing dependencies Er zijn geen alternatieve ge�stalleerde aanbieders van kde_basis voor pattern:kde-10.2-90.x86_64 Conflictoplossing: ( ) keep kde_basis ( ) delete kde ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Ignore this requirement generally pattern:kde_basis-10.2-90.x86_64 has missing dependencies Er zijn geen alternatieve ge�stalleerde aanbieders van x11 voor pattern:kde_basis-10.2-90.x86_64 Conflictoplossing: ( ) keep x11 ( ) delete kde_basis ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Ignore this requirement generally pattern:kde_imaging-10.2-90.x86_64 has missing dependencies Er zijn geen alternatieve ge�stalleerde aanbieders van kde_basis voor pattern:kde_imaging-10.2-90.x86_64 Conflictoplossing: ( ) keep kde_basis ( ) delete kde_imaging ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Ignore this requirement generally pattern:x11-10.2-90.x86_64 has missing dependencies Er zijn geen alternatieve ge�stalleerde aanbieders van sw_management_x11_pattern voor pattern:x11-10.2-90.x86_64 Conflictoplossing: ( ) keep zmd_x11 ( ) delete x11 ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Ignore this requirement generally pattern:zmd-10.2-90.x86_64 has missing dependencies Er zijn geen alternatieve ge�stalleerde aanbieders van zmd voor pattern:zmd-10.2-90.x86_64 Conflictoplossing: ( ) keep zmd ( ) delete zmd ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Ignore this requirement generally pattern:zmd_x11-10.2-90.x86_64 has missing dependencies Er zijn geen alternatieve ge�stalleerde aanbieders van zen-updater voor pattern:zmd_x11-10.2-90.x86_64 Conflictoplossing: ( ) keep zen-updater ( ) delete zmd_x11 ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Ignore this requirement generally zen-updater-7.1.100-16.x86_64 has missing dependencies Er zijn geen alternatieve ge�stalleerde aanbieders van mono(Novell.Zenworks.Zmd.Public) == 1.0.0.0 voor zen-updater-7.1.100-16.x86_64 Conflictoplossing: ( ) keep zmd ( ) delete zen-updater ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Ignore this requirement generally #### YaST2 conflicts list END ### These are also for when to uninstall every one of them seperate. Does this look like a free choice? M9.
See, for example: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215649
and this thread: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-10/msg00583.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-11/msg00007.html
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Robby (M9.) Verberne schrieb:
#### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2006-11-06 15:31:47 #### [...] #### YaST2 conflicts list END ###
These are also for when to uninstall every one of them seperate. Does this look like a free choice?
No, this is simply a bug. These dependencies are wrong. => Bugzilla (with logfiles, please) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 06 November 2006 06:31, Martin Schlander wrote:
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See, for example: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215649
See also bug #217775: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=217775 There are log files from my system there.
and this thread: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-10/msg00583.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-11/msg00007.html
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On Monday 06 November 2006 06:31, Martin Schlander wrote:
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See, for example: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215649
See also bug #217775:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=217775
There are log files from my system there.
I am 'heavily' involved in this issue... And add my support to get finaly rid of it. I already downloaded zipper, and will give it a try, when finished the bugreport about the non-existing dependencies, suggested by Andreas... When I uninstalled it in 101, i was realy relieved, and smart was terrific! Unbelieveble fast and correct, the servers were to slow for smart. I am going to do this again, and never look back: 'bye bye zmd!' (go and fuck gnome..(not nice to say, i know, but this issue has nothing to do with nice, might be somebody high in the novell wants to push this trough our throats, just for support they than give?) Zmd is time-consuming, cpu and memory-consuming, and has kept us busy for one day again... for the last time, as far as i am concerned.. thnx for showing the path...:)
and this thread: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-10/msg00583.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-11/msg00007.html
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M9.
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Robby (M9.) Verberne schrieb:
I am going to do this again, and never look back: 'bye bye zmd!' (go and fuck gnome..
Can you please keep your tone civil? I was seriously writing yet another explanation of how all these things depend on each other, but deleted it (not as a reaction to this, earlier already). What we really do not need in this very moment is yet another "I don't like zmd, please change the distribution for me two weeks before the very last freeze" thread. We are already offering a ridiculous amount of alternative package managers for users who share this opinion. You are very late in the game; consider getting involved earlier if you're interested in openSUSE 10.3 development. And such a noise because of 3 packages you can't manage to uninstall is plain inappropriate. If smart is really the perfect tool for you, then you should have noticed that it happily bypasses pattern dependencies without a single complaint. Just do smart remove zmd and you're all set. Andreas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Robby (M9.) Verberne schrieb:
I am going to do this again, and never look back: 'bye bye zmd!' (go and fuck gnome..
Can you please keep your tone civil?
I am 50 years old, do you think you can lecture me in this? Do not act as a puber, getting excited by hearing such a common phrase.. ( I just 'say', what people 'think'..)
I was seriously writing yet another explanation of how all these things depend on each other, but deleted it (not as a reaction to this, earlier already).
I was, and still am digging into the 'zmd' debacle, so am aware of your opinion, by earlier statements, which i in most cases share, btw... (plz. do not take this as a lack of restekp'..)
What we really do not need in this very moment is yet another "I don't like zmd, please change the distribution for me two weeks before the very last freeze" thread.
"keep it real", or read my posts...(no offense.) We are already offering a ridiculous amount of
alternative package managers for users who share this opinion.
About 4, one dement, one allmost burned out, one not tested by all, and one serious candidate, and you know what I mean.
You are very late in the game; consider getting involved earlier if you're interested in openSUSE 10.3 development.
I agree, and appologize, for being late in the game, i was fully convinced, smart would be the choice, and allready fully implemented, i was wrong.
And such a noise because of 3 packages you can't manage to uninstall is plain inappropriate. If smart is really the perfect tool for you, then you should have noticed that it happily bypasses pattern dependencies without a single complaint. Just do
smart remove zmd
and you're all set.
Yes I know, I am not the problem. Users that will not update to the higher versions are... Because of the lack of capability, to make the right decision.. And you are absolutely right in this, because these things are 'not' to be taken lightly! Do not make the mistake to think, that i do not know what to do, but take me serious when I say, that a lot of people get scared when they see what I see... And suse, is for me, after trying several distro's, the only one, to be taken serious enough, to compete with windows and the 'windows to other OS changers'.... So do not take me wrong...
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