Hi, I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available. I tried to see how can I configure the online update. To my surprise there are two entries called "Online Update Configuration" and "Online Update Setup". For me it means the same, luckily the second shows in the tooltip that it is the configuration for automatic updates. So try the first one (Online Update Configuration): clicking on Details or Next gives me the following error (after a while): An error occurred while connecting to server. Details shows: No products to register. Now let's see "Online Update Setup": I get a nearly blank window with the hints on the left an the "Automatic Online Update Setup". No config options, just the Back/Abort/Finish buttons. Does online update work for anyone or this is just a plain bug and I should report. I used 10.1-GM, from a DVD created with makeSUSEdvd 0.29 (and yes, I get a signing error). I updated an RC2 system (which previously was updated from 10.0 in more steps). Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
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Does online update work for anyone or this is just a plain bug and I should report.
Same here...
I used 10.1-GM, from a DVD created with makeSUSEdvd 0.29 (and yes, I get a signing error). I updated an RC2 system (which previously was updated from 10.0 in more steps).
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On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:50 +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
Hi,
I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available. I tried to see how can I configure the online update. To my surprise there are two entries called "Online Update Configuration" and "Online Update Setup". For me it means the same, luckily the second shows in the tooltip that it is the configuration for automatic updates.
Which leads to why it is -not- called "Automatic Online Update Setup" and avoid the confusion. Perhaps it is a language translation thing. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
Kenneth Schneider wrote:
Which leads to why it is -not- called "Automatic Online Update Setup" and avoid the confusion. Perhaps it is a language translation thing.
on french, "online update configuration" is not translated at all. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
Hi,
I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available.
There should be an opera and a pdns security patch. Ciao, Marcus
On Tue, 16 May 2006, Marcus Meissner wrote:
I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available.
There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.
... in case you installed thosed packages -- which isn't the default case, IIUC. Regards Christoph
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 16:40, Christoph Thiel wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006, Marcus Meissner wrote:
I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available.
There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.
... in case you installed thosed packages -- which isn't the default case, IIUC.
I have opera installed (8.52-12, x86_64), still nothing comes up. I guess it's time to open 3 bugreports... Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:04:26PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 16:40, Christoph Thiel wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006, Marcus Meissner wrote:
I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available.
There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.
... in case you installed thosed packages -- which isn't the default case, IIUC.
I have opera installed (8.52-12, x86_64), still nothing comes up. I guess it's time to open 3 bugreports...
Check the configured Update Server by hand please, if it has the pathces already. Perhaps it is behind in time :/ Ciao, Marcus
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:08, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Check the configured Update Server by hand please, if it has the pathces already. Perhaps it is behind in time :/
I would if I would know where to check it. ;-) As I wrote in the original mail, the config dialogs in Yast are not really working. Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:07:57PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:08, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Check the configured Update Server by hand please, if it has the pathces already. Perhaps it is behind in time :/
I would if I would know where to check it. ;-) As I wrote in the original mail, the config dialogs in Yast are not really working.
YaST2 -> Change Installation Source. It should list at least 1 remote Update Mirror ;) Ciao, Marcus
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:13, Marcus Meissner wrote:
YaST2 -> Change Installation Source. It should list at least 1 remote Update Mirror ;)
Hm, I have only the local cd:/// entry... Should this remote repository added by the installer automatically or I should put it in manually? Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:32, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:13, Marcus Meissner wrote:
YaST2 -> Change Installation Source. It should list at least 1 remote Update Mirror ;)
Hm, I have only the local cd:/// entry... Should this remote repository added by the installer automatically or I should put it in manually?
Ok, adding it manually made the patches show up. Some remarks though: - adding it took lot of time (downloading information from the server?) Hopefully it will not try to refresh the installation source from the mirror every time I run Software Management. - the "Source synchronization with ZMD failed. Save changes anyway?" bug (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=166287) is still present. I have to reopen it. Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
Andras Mantia wrote:
- adding it took lot of time
any open of change source or install software takes hours... this is the main problem with net install, there as quite frequent packages updates, so the refresh is necessary (if you don't, the dowloading of packages fails). I know no solution :-( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
Andras Mantia wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:08, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Check the configured Update Server by hand please, if it has the pathces already. Perhaps it is behind in time :/
I would if I would know where to check it. ;-) As I wrote in the original mail, the config dialogs in Yast are not really working.
Andras
may be somebody must say that when a server is configured it can be seen as "yum" on the change install support window jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
Christoph Thiel wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006, Marcus Meissner wrote:
I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available. There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.
... in case you installed thosed packages -- which isn't the default case, IIUC.
It even shows the patches if opera and pdns are *not* installed. Regards, Carl-Daniel -- http://www.hailfinger.org/
Hi, On Wed, 17 May 2006, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote:
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 10:48, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
Christoph Thiel wrote:
It even shows the patches if opera and pdns are *not* installed.
but then they are not selected for installation
But you can click 'em to force installation. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
But you can click 'em to force installation.
what can a patch do if the main file is not installed? jdd (curious :-) -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
Hi, On Wed, 17 May 2006, jdd wrote:
Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
But you can click 'em to force installation.
what can a patch do if the main file is not installed?
YOU has "full" RPMs also.
jdd (curious :-)
So just believe me. ;-)) Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
So just believe me. ;-))
I always do :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 06:56:08PM +0200, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote:
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 18:44, jdd wrote:
Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
But you can click 'em to force installation.
what can a patch do if the main file is not installed? jdd (curious :-)
install the packages
Which is an unwanted siteeffect. If there are many such things, people might start installing more they what they actually want or need. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier...
Hi, On Thu, 18 May 2006, houghi wrote:
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 06:56:08PM +0200, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote:
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 18:44, jdd wrote:
Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
But you can click 'em to force installation.
what can a patch do if the main file is not installed? jdd (curious :-)
install the packages
Which is an unwanted siteeffect.
This "side effect" was missed for a long long time. This is definitely a step forward.
If there are many such things, people might start installing more they what they actually want or need.
Yes. I'm sure we would need to inhibit clicking in general if you don't stop your black magic soon. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:26:58PM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, 18 May 2006, houghi wrote:
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 06:56:08PM +0200, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote:
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 18:44, jdd wrote:
Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
But you can click 'em to force installation.
what can a patch do if the main file is not installed? jdd (curious :-)
install the packages
Which is an unwanted siteeffect.
This "side effect" was missed for a long long time. This is definitely a step forward.
If there are many such things, people might start installing more they what they actually want or need.
Yes. I'm sure we would need to inhibit clicking in general if you don't stop your black magic soon.
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead. Ciao, Marcus
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead.
Is this silently done? What happens if you don't have an internet connection at install time? Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:30:51PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead.
Is this silently done?
Yes.
What happens if you don't have an internet connection at install time?
Good question, I do not know. Ciao, Marcus
Hi, Am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2006 19:35 schrieb Marcus Meissner:
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:30:51PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead.
Is this silently done?
Yes.
What happens if you don't have an internet connection at install time?
Good question, I do not know.
Without an internet connection, the package manager wouldn't know about available updates, right? So it would just install the package from the CD/DVD. Greetings from Stuhr hartmut
On Thursday 18 May 2006 21:31, Hartmut Meyer wrote:
Without an internet connection, the package manager wouldn't know about available updates, right?
Imagine the following situation: you used the online update, but did not install e.g the Opera patch. The package manager knows about the Opera patch, because it already downloaded the list of available (synched with the update repository). What will happen if now the user wants to install Opera? Will there be a timeout waiting for response from the sever (thus a delay before installing from the DVD)? Or a quick check that there is no internet connection? Or an error? Of course, I would expect what you say: just install from the CD/DVD, and preferably without waiting for a response from a server that will never come (a very short checking is fine). Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
Without an internet connection, the package manager wouldn't know about available updates, right?
Without a *network* connection (unless you have specially prepared media). The whole of the "internet" could be that box dishing out a copy of the updates from the other end of that 1m cable, although getting the updates from DVD when installing from DVD seems more likely. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead.
I was too quick as I have a 3rd question as well: does it retrieve the full package from the update mirror or it installs the package from the medium and gets the update? Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:31:55PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead.
I was too quick as I have a 3rd question as well: does it retrieve the full package from the update mirror or it installs the package from the medium and gets the update?
It will fetch the full update. Ciao, Marcus
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:35, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:31:55PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead.
I was too quick as I have a 3rd question as well: does it retrieve the full package from the update mirror or it installs the package from the medium and gets the update?
It will fetch the full update.
Ok, so I'm only partly happy with it. It's great, because users get the new version automatically. It's not so great that it generates too much traffic and might be too slow. What if you are online using GPRS or something like that where you pay for the amount transferred to read your mails, but want to install meantime something that has an update.... I think it's better to ask the user if he wants the updated version right now or not. And of course reducing the amount needed to be transferred is always good (for the user and for the servers as well). Something to consider for 10.2. Should I enter an enhancement request? Sincerely I don't like that much the heavy depending on an internet connection (like most Debian derivate distros are). SUSE was great in this regard as you could have a lot of software on a DVD or CDs and work fine without constant net connection, and would be nice to keep this advantage. ;-) Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
On 18 May 2006 at 19:35, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:31:55PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead.
I was too quick as I have a 3rd question as well: does it retrieve the full package from the update mirror or it installs the package from the medium and gets the update?
It will fetch the full update.
if the update is longer than the original package, or what? Are we back to pre-(delta-RPM)? Or ist the delta-RPM dead anyway? Regards, Ulrich
Ciao, Marcus
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On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 08:40:29AM +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote:
On 18 May 2006 at 19:35, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:31:55PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:31, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead.
I was too quick as I have a 3rd question as well: does it retrieve the full package from the update mirror or it installs the package from the medium and gets the update?
It will fetch the full update.
if the update is longer than the original package, or what? Are we back to pre-(delta-RPM)? Or ist the delta-RPM dead anyway?
If the package is not installed, it will fetch the full RPM from one of the installation sources. This is either your DVD or the Update Mirror. For _Updates_ where the packages are already installed ... I investigated: patchrpm and deltarpm handling is currently not implemented, but will be delivered by an update later. Ciao, Marcus
Marcus Meissner wrote:
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead.
Now that is definitely great! Is this also possible during installation? Regards, Carl-Daniel -- http://www.hailfinger.org/
Hi, On Thu, 18 May 2006, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead.
Now that is definitely great! Is this also possible during installation?
Let me guess: YES, but you need to have configured the update tree already (as an add-on source). Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:34:24PM +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead.
Now that is definitely great! Is this also possible during installation?
I do not know. I guess if you get an update source registered before starting the installation, "perhaps". Ciao, Marcus
On 18 May 2006 at 19:31, Marcus Meissner wrote: [...]
Also, if you now install a package it will check if there is a security update and retrieve and install the fixed package instead.
Also this is how things work in HP-UX: They add patches to the media which contains the products. Installation will (by default) automatically select the patches maching the products being installed. That way you get the patches in as early as can be. Also, you can just have a copy of your software media somewhere, add the latest patches to that directory, and whenever installing from that directory, you'll get the latest patches automatically installed. Despite of problems the software management had in it's early stages, it works quite well now. Regards, Ulrich
On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
Hi,
I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available.
There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.
I can confirm that those are available for those that have them installed. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
Kenneth Schneider wrote:
On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
Hi,
I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available.
There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.
I can confirm that those are available for those that have them installed.
I've updated RC3-->GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30) and the "Online Update Configuration" failed with the message "No products to register.". After doing another update with the original CDs the "Online Update Configuration" worked and added the update server "ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1/" via service ZYPP to the software update configuration (see Icon in the lower right corner of the desktop). This could be also done be hand. Karsten
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:31:47PM +0100, Karsten Ehrig wrote:
Kenneth Schneider wrote:
On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
Hi,
I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available.
There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.
I can confirm that those are available for those that have them installed.
I've updated RC3-->GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30) and the "Online Update Configuration" failed with the message "No products to register.".
If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.
After doing another update with the original CDs the "Online Update Configuration" worked and added the update server "ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1/" via service ZYPP to the software update configuration (see Icon in the lower right corner of the desktop). This could be also done be hand.
CIao, Marcus
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:42, Marcus Meissner wrote:
I've updated RC3-->GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30) and the "Online Update Configuration" failed with the message "No products to register.".
If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.
Hm, I also put the add-on CD to the DVD. Is there a known way to fix this without reinstalling everything? Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
Andras Mantia wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:42, Marcus Meissner wrote:
I've updated RC3-->GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30) and the "Online Update Configuration" failed with the message "No products to register.".
If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.
Hm, I also put the add-on CD to the DVD. Is there a known way to fix this without reinstalling everything?
Actually you only have to boot from the original CD1 and run the update again. The packages won't be installed again because the versions are the same. Karsten
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 07:28:43PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 17:42, Marcus Meissner wrote:
I've updated RC3-->GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30) and the "Online Update Configuration" failed with the message "No products to register.".
If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.
Hm, I also put the add-on CD to the DVD. Is there a known way to fix this without reinstalling everything?
Renaming the CD6 so it is first to be copied not last. CD's are copied in reverse order, so each overwrites previous data. I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
houghi wrote:
I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way.
I didn't test it with dvd, but when using a gard drive as source, yast is able to see the cd's as "disk1, disk2..." may be this could work also fort dvd and other disks? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:18:12PM +0200, jdd wrote:
houghi wrote:
I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way.
I didn't test it with dvd, but when using a gard drive as source, yast is able to see the cd's as "disk1, disk2..."
Not sure wat a gard drive is. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
houghi wrote:
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:18:12PM +0200, jdd wrote:
houghi wrote:
I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way.
I didn't test it with dvd, but when using a gard drive as source, yast is able to see the cd's as "disk1, disk2..."
Not sure wat a gard drive is.
houghi g & h are neighbours - I meant Hard drive :-)
jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:51:10PM +0200, jdd wrote:
houghi wrote:
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:18:12PM +0200, jdd wrote:
houghi wrote:
I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way.
I didn't test it with dvd, but when using a gard drive as source, yast is able to see the cd's as "disk1, disk2..."
Not sure wat a gard drive is.
houghi g & h are neighbours - I meant Hard drive :-)
And now you have lost me completely, even the word makes sense now. It was my understanding that we were talking about a DVD made with the 6CDs and not just the 5. So I would think that after installation there are not CDs to see. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
houghi wrote:
And now you have lost me completely, even the word makes sense now.
when you setup an install source for yast, you can use yast to copy the cd content to the same directory, but you also can just copy the content of any and all the cd on the same directory under subdirectories disk1, disk2... the result is: /101/ (for example) disk1/ disk2/ disk3/ ... if, when you install, with any boot disk or disk1, you direct yast to the hard drive, disk1, it can find all the others disks obviously yast looks for the name given in archive.gz for the rpm searched to know on what disk it is. a dvd is essentially a drive, so copying the same tree to a dvd could work, given the archive.gz is properly updated jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 09:10:09PM +0200, jdd wrote:
houghi wrote:
And now you have lost me completely, even the word makes sense now.
when you setup an install source for yast, you can use yast to copy the cd content to the same directory, but you also can just copy the content of any and all the cd on the same directory under subdirectories disk1, disk2...
the result is: /101/ (for example) disk1/ disk2/ disk3/ ...
if, when you install, with any boot disk or disk1, you direct yast to the hard drive, disk1, it can find all the others disks
obviously yast looks for the name given in archive.gz for the rpm searched to know on what disk it is.
a dvd is essentially a drive, so copying the same tree to a dvd could work, given the archive.gz is properly updated
OK, but that was not what was talked about. We talked about a DVD-iso made by makeSUSEdvd with all 6 CDs. YaST does not look in ARCHIVES.gz. It looks in /content or /media.X/product. Not sure yet wich one. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:06, houghi wrote:
I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way.
First copy the ISOs that are not labeled CD1...5 and later the CD1...5 in reverse order. I'm sure it can be done with some bash/sed/grep magic. Like: suseisos=`ls -1 *.iso | grep -e "CD[1-5]"` extraisos=`ls -1 *.iso | grep -ve "CD[1-5]"` First process each entry from $extraisos and later $suseisos in reverse order. Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 05:31:00PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:06, houghi wrote:
I am trying to figure out a foolproof way to get this done right. Doing the copying in 'normal' order instead of reverse is not a foolproof way.
First copy the ISOs that are not labeled CD1...5 and later the CD1...5 in reverse order. I'm sure it can be done with some bash/sed/grep magic. Like: suseisos=`ls -1 *.iso | grep -e "CD[1-5]"` extraisos=`ls -1 *.iso | grep -ve "CD[1-5]"`
First process each entry from $extraisos and later $suseisos in reverse order.
The problem is that I do not know how things are numberd. At this moment I have done it as follows: 1) Looked what the server sends back and put that in a parameter: VERSIONS="SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-ppc SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86 SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64 ... 2) See if there is a line that has one of the above in /content 3) Replacewhat is found to /content Most of the time this will be identical #Naming start for I in $VERSIONS do NAME=`grep $I $CD_DIR/content|awk '{print $2}'` if [ "$NAME" != "" ] then PRODUCTS=$NAME fi done echo "" <snip> #Place the correct version FILE=$CD_DIR/content OLD=`grep DISTPRODUCT $FILE|awk '{print $2}'` sed -e "s/$OLD/$PRODUCTS/g" $FILE > $FILE.tmp mv $FILE.tmp $FILE FILE=$CD_DIR/media.1/products sed -e "s/$OLD/$PRODUCTS/g" $FILE > $FILE.tmp mv $FILE.tmp $FILE Also it might be that there is no CD[1-5] because they use a DVD, or nameing changes with a next version, or people use real CDs. I also do not have the names of all ISOs available from SUSE. Now I am just waiting for somebody to verify that this is the correct way to go. http://houghi.org/scripts/makeSUSEdvd is a beta. Some other nice small differences. I personally have recompiled mkisofs with: [17:00:57] [~/tmp/cdrtools-2.01/mkisofs] houghi@penne : diff write.c.orig write.c 521c521 < fprintf(stderr, "%6.2f%% done, estimate finish %s", ---
fprintf(stderr, "%6.2f%% done, estimate finish : in a bit. \r",
524c524 < fprintf(stderr, "%3d.%-02d%% done, estimate finish %s", ---
fprintf(stderr, "%3d.%-02d%% done, estimate finish : in a bit. \r",
That way I don't have all these new lines (... %s \r", did not work) -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
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On Wednesday 17 May 2006 18:06, houghi wrote:
Also it might be that there is no CD[1-5] because they use a DVD, or nameing changes with a next version, or people use real CDs. I also do not have the names of all ISOs available from SUSE.
1) You anyway need to release a new version for each SUSE release, so you could get the ISO name and hardcode into the script. ;-) 2) create a config file for the script (or use command line arguments) to specify either all the ISO files or the CD to use as the main one (extracted the last time). Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:29:43PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
1) You anyway need to release a new version for each SUSE release, so you could get the ISO name and hardcode into the script. ;-)
I will then miss some ISO names (SLES and so on) and it will become HUGE.
2) create a config file for the script (or use command line arguments) to specify either all the ISO files or the CD to use as the main one (extracted the last time).
That will make the program un-userfriendly (user-unfriendly?) I have found a way that goes in between the two. :-) -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
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On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:31:47PM +0100, Karsten Ehrig wrote:
Kenneth Schneider wrote:
On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 15:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:50:21PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
Hi,
I'm officially confused by the new way of updating. First: are there any updates available at this moment? If I start the "Online update" from Yast, it says no patches available.
There should be an opera and a pdns security patch.
I can confirm that those are available for those that have them installed.
I've updated RC3-->GM via a DVD created with makeSuSEdvd (v. 0.30) and the "Online Update Configuration" failed with the message "No products to register.".
If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.
That's the case with my installation. Is there a workaround? - -cord -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEagpPpYxkftnOwIoRApboAJ4s3YzOt8c9miwGzI8aU2Bnq7EAdgCeIZXr VqfbgW+7Ka81+rBBbXCBJS8= =OtRW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:22, Cord Walter wrote:
If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.
That's the case with my installation. Is there a workaround?
As I didn't use the addon when installing I can't really test this, but have you tried going to /var/lib/zypp/db/products/ and deleting/moving the offending entry? It would be my first try, at least
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:29, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:22, Cord Walter wrote:
If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.
That's the case with my installation. Is there a workaround?
As I didn't use the addon when installing I can't really test this, but have you tried going to /var/lib/zypp/db/products/ and deleting/moving the offending entry?
It would be my first try, at least
Can you post what you have there? Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:34, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:29, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:22, Cord Walter wrote:
If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.
That's the case with my installation. Is there a workaround?
As I didn't use the addon when installing I can't really test this, but have you tried going to /var/lib/zypp/db/products/ and deleting/moving the offending entry?
It would be my first try, at least
Can you post what you have there?
Me? I have two files for 10.1. I'm guessing you have something for the addon CD too, which you might want to remove
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:51, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:34, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:29, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:22, Cord Walter wrote:
If you had the Add On CD in the DVD, then this will happen.
That's the case with my installation. Is there a workaround?
As I didn't use the addon when installing I can't really test this, but have you tried going to /var/lib/zypp/db/products/ and deleting/moving the offending entry?
It would be my first try, at least
Can you post what you have there?
Me? I have two files for 10.1. I'm guessing you have something for the addon CD too, which you might want to remove
I can remove it (I have only one referring to add-on), but I assume it needs to be replaced with a file from a "clean" 10.1 install. I tested, it's not enough to remove it. Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:59, Andras Mantia wrote:
I can remove it (I have only one referring to add-on), but I assume it needs to be replaced with a file from a "clean" 10.1 install. I tested, it's not enough to remove it.
Well, I said it was a first try. I'm not sure yet how the new libzypp stuff works. but hm, have you tried restarting zmd (rczmd restart)? Just in case it's cached, I mean (does "rug products" show add-on as installed?) I can't find anything immediately obvious in bugzilla about it, so reporting it there might be an option.
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 23:08, Anders Johansson wrote:
Well, I said it was a first try. I'm not sure yet how the new libzypp stuff works.
but hm, have you tried restarting zmd (rczmd restart)? Just in case it's cached, I mean (does "rug products" show add-on as installed?)
I can't find anything immediately obvious in bugzilla about it, so reporting it there might be an option.
Meantime I did an "update" from CD1, now this problem has gone (and yes, the file from /var/lib/zypp/db/products/ was replaced with the correct one). Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
Hi, On Tue, 16 May 2006, Andras Mantia wrote:
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 23:08, Anders Johansson wrote:
Well, I said it was a first try. I'm not sure yet how the new libzypp stuff works.
but hm, have you tried restarting zmd (rczmd restart)? Just in case it's cached, I mean (does "rug products" show add-on as installed?)
I can't find anything immediately obvious in bugzilla about it, so reporting it there might be an option.
Meantime I did an "update" from CD1, now this problem has gone (and yes, the file from /var/lib/zypp/db/products/ was replaced with the correct one).
Using the inst-source directory leaves /var/lib/zypp/db/products/ empty. Should I bugzilla that? Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
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