19 Jun
2019
19 Jun
'19
2:18 p.m.
Thanks, but I guess SUSE is not an independent company and is under Red Hat control.
You selected a type-2 hypervisor because of popularity? OK, look at other type-2
hypervisors and you will find better options.
SUSE never put Xen on installation DVD because of Red Hat.
Look at : https://royal.pingdom.com/linux-popularity-across-the-globe/
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On Wed, 6/19/19, Thorsten Kukuk <kukuk(a)suse.de> wrote:
Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Why OpenSUSE removed Xen from the setup?
To: opensuse-factory(a)opensuse.org
Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 7:04 AM
On Wed, Jun 19, Jason Long wrote:
Hello.
I created a
post in OpenSUSE
forum(https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/536329-OpenSUSE-forgot-Xen…
and I want to know why SUSE preferred a type-2 hypervisor
(KVM) over a type-1 hypervisor (Xen).
You are making a big
mistake:
openSUSE !=
SUSE
openSUSE is a
community project, and the result is what the community
is deciding and doing. And the community is
everybody who submits
changes, fixes and
packages.
If you install a
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (so a SUSE product, not
an openSUSE product), you can choose between
XEN and KVM during installation.
So your
claim about SUSE and XEN is wrong.
Else the openSUSE Community did wrote in the
forum already, that your
claim is wrong even
for openSUSE and that you are looking at the wrong
places.
And if you look at the
number of users of XEN and KVM, it's pretty clear
why KVM is on the DVD and not XEN. It's the
reality of how many people
are using
something.
Thorsten
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2:24 p.m.
New subject: [opensuse-factory] Why OpenSUSE removed Xen from the setup?
On Wed, Jun 19, Jason Long wrote:
Thanks, but I guess SUSE is not an independent company
and is under Red Hat control.
You should really stop this crap. It's quite simple to find out
who is owned by whom.
You selected a type-2 hypervisor because of
popularity? OK, look at other type-2 hypervisors and you will find better options.
SUSE never put Xen on installation DVD because of Red Hat.
You have absolut no clue about what you are speaking, so I guess you
did never look at a SUSE product. What you are writing are pure lies
quite easily to prove: download any SLES version and look what
is on the DVD.
Thorsten
Look at :
https://royal.pingdom.com/linux-popularity-across-the-globe/
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Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Why OpenSUSE removed Xen from the setup?
To: opensuse-factory(a)opensuse.org
Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 7:04 AM
On Wed, Jun 19, Jason Long wrote:
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Hello.
I created a
post in OpenSUSE
forum(https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/536329-OpenSUSE-forgot-Xen…
and I want to know why SUSE preferred a type-2 hypervisor
(KVM) over a type-1 hypervisor (Xen).
You are making a big
mistake:
openSUSE !=
SUSE
openSUSE is a
community project, and the result is what the community
is deciding and doing. And the community is
everybody who submits
changes, fixes and
packages.
If you install a
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (so a SUSE product, not
an openSUSE product), you can choose between
XEN and KVM during installation.
So your
claim about SUSE and XEN is wrong.
Else the openSUSE Community did wrote in the
forum already, that your
claim is wrong even
for openSUSE and that you are looking at the wrong
places.
And if you look at the
number of users of XEN and KVM, it's pretty clear
why KVM is on the DVD and not XEN. It's the
reality of how many people
are using
something.
Thorsten
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MicroOS
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Imendoerffer, Mary Higgins, Sri Rasiah, HRB 21284 (AG
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6:54 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-factory] Why OpenSUSE removed Xen from the setup?
OK, why SUSE selected KVM as a default hypervisor? Any problem with other hypervisors? Why
the Virtualization part name is "KVM Virtualization Host and Tools" ? Why not
"Xen Virtualization Host and Tools" or "Virtualization Host and
Tools"? Is it not clear?
On Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 6:24:47 PM UTC, Thorsten Kukuk <kukuk(a)suse.de> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 19, Jason Long wrote:
Thanks, but I guess SUSE is not an independent company
and is under Red Hat control.
You should really stop this crap. It's quite simple to find out
who is owned by whom.
You selected a type-2 hypervisor because of
popularity? OK, look at other type-2 hypervisors and you will find better options.
SUSE never put Xen on installation DVD because of Red Hat.
You have absolut no clue about what you are speaking, so I guess you
did never look at a SUSE product. What you are writing are pure lies
quite easily to prove: download any SLES version and look what
is on the DVD.
Thorsten
Look at :
https://royal.pingdom.com/linux-popularity-across-the-globe/
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On Wed, 6/19/19, Thorsten Kukuk <kukuk(a)suse.de> wrote:
Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Why OpenSUSE removed Xen from the setup?
To: opensuse-factory(a)opensuse.org
Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 7:04 AM
On Wed, Jun 19, Jason Long wrote:
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Hello.
I created a
post in OpenSUSE
forum(https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/536329-OpenSUSE-forgot-Xen…
and I want to know why SUSE preferred a type-2 hypervisor
(KVM) over a type-1 hypervisor (Xen).
You are making a big
mistake:
openSUSE !=
SUSE
openSUSE is a
community project, and the result is what the community
is deciding and doing. And the community is
everybody who submits
changes, fixes and
packages.
If you install a
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (so a SUSE product, not
an openSUSE product), you can choose between
XEN and KVM during installation.
So your
claim about SUSE and XEN is wrong.
Else the openSUSE Community did wrote in the
forum already, that your
claim is wrong even
for openSUSE and that you are looking at the wrong
places.
And if you look at the
number of users of XEN and KVM, it's pretty clear
why KVM is on the DVD and not XEN. It's the
reality of how many people
are using
something.
Thorsten
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MicroOS
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90409 Nuernberg, Germany
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Imendoerffer, Mary Higgins, Sri Rasiah, HRB 21284 (AG
Nuernberg)
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7:05 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-factory] Why OpenSUSE removed Xen from the setup?
On 20/06/2019 20:24, hack3rcon(a)yahoo.com wrote:
OK, why SUSE selected KVM as a default hypervisor? Any
problem with other hypervisors? Why the Virtualization part name is "KVM
Virtualization Host and Tools" ? Why not "Xen Virtualization Host and
Tools" or "Virtualization Host and Tools"? Is it not clear?
If you use the net install or add the full repo's with the extra options
you will see both "KVM Virtualization Host and Tools" and "Xen
Virtualization Host and Tools". One is obviously for installing KVM and
the other for installing Xen. Most sane people don't want both hence no
"Virtualization Host and Tools"
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21 Jun
8:28 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-factory] Why OpenSUSE removed Xen from the setup?
On Thursday, June 20, 2019, 3:35:40 PM GMT+4:30, Simon Lees <sflees(a)suse.de> wrote:
On 20/06/2019 20:24, hack3rcon(a)yahoo.com wrote:
OK, why SUSE selected KVM as a default hypervisor? Any
problem with other hypervisors? Why the Virtualization part name is "KVM
Virtualization Host and Tools" ? Why not "Xen Virtualization Host and
Tools" or "Virtualization Host and Tools"? Is it not clear?
If you use the net install or add the full repo's with the extra options
you will see both "KVM Virtualization Host and Tools" and "Xen
Virtualization Host and Tools". One is obviously for installing KVM and
the other for installing Xen. Most sane people don't want both hence no
"Virtualization Host and Tools"
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9:53 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-factory] Why OpenSUSE removed Xen from the setup?
Am Donnerstag, 20. Juni 2019, 13:05:03 CEST schrieb Simon Lees:
On 20/06/2019 20:24, hack3rcon(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> OK, why SUSE selected KVM as a default hypervisor? Any problem with other
> hypervisors? Why the Virtualization part name is "KVM Virtualization Host
> and Tools" ? Why not "Xen Virtualization Host and Tools" or
> "Virtualization Host and Tools"? Is it not clear?
If you use the net install or add the full repo's
with the extra options
you will see both "KVM Virtualization Host and Tools" and "Xen
Virtualization Host and Tools". One is obviously for installing KVM and
the other for installing Xen. Most sane people don't want both hence no
"Virtualization Host and Tools"
Don't feed the trolls.
https://lists.gt.net/xen/devel/452615
Pete
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7:18 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-factory] Why OpenSUSE removed Xen from the setup?
On Thu, 2019-06-20 at 10:54 +0000, hack3rcon(a)yahoo.com wrote:
OK, why SUSE selected KVM as a default hypervisor? Any
problem with other hypervisors? Why the Virtualization part name is "KVM
Virtualization Host and Tools" ? Why not "Xen Virtualization Host and
Tools" or "Virtualization Host and Tools"? Is it not clear?
If you care about SUSE products, you have to talk to a SUSE sales rep.
This is the openSUSE Factory mailing list - here we develop the
openSUSE Products (openSUSE Tumbleweed and openSUSE Leap) - granted,
there is some overlap when it comes to the packages, but the media
layout is completely decoupled and different release managers assigned.
We only share source packages.
As for the Tumbleweed DVD (where I am the designated release manager,
so I can only speak about that product) - I only have limited space to
put stuff on the DVD. This does not mean that the DVD picked packages
are (much) favored over the rest of the tree (there is to some degree a
higher scrutinity / observance of issues for things picked on the DVD,
but the openQA tests are not strictly limited to the DVD - other things
can be and are also tested)
As to why I'd always favor qemu/kvm over xen on the openSUSE Tumbleweed
DVD is the reach of users it has: more users are likely to be
interested in KVM setups, as they are typically 'easier' to setup, as
they behave much like a normal computer (boot from dvd/usb support, no
special tricks/tweaks needed).
Other than that, the content of the DVD is at any time open for
discussion.
Cheers
Dominique
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