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2008/12/20 Birger Kollstrand :

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and as a side note, I think we sould care LESS about KDE 4.1 vs 4.2 or Gnome 2.x. It's what the users can get done withn it that counts. Both current major desktops are usable for years to come.....

Not the opinion of many KDE-3.5.x users, who have not been converted by KDE4 yet, it's getting better but, 4.3 is going to be an important release, for KDE. If it's not right again in 4.3, then the community will want a 3.5 release, that can't be included officially because noone wants to commit to maintenance for 2+ more years.

The 4 is getting better, you just have to loosen the ties from the 3, and let it go.. it is the past already. ;)

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Maybe a new thread should be started or is factory not the right place to discuss contents?

People need a reason to upgrade, and improvements to rarely used tools like Installers and Partitioners, won't cut much ice. So your idea of looking at features is good.

The polar caps are almost melted down, so if you want to cut ice, you have to be quick. The tools you mention, were very surely up to an overhaul, and they still have to be tuned, but look much and much better than before. Installer, partitioner and upgrade tools are the most important of the distro. They decide wetter people do- or don't like a distro to work with. They are, so to speak, the 'Masters of Trust', you are willing to trust your hardware to. (in the past there were many discussions about this.) The handles for new and existing hardware have to be there, and if possible, simple and understandable.. and Birger, i think you have a point there in this post ;) As always webstandards have to be included, how difficult this always may sound, as also full media support. As i notice still, is the not always flawlessly working networking and video hardware drivers... It would be very nice, if there would be made a breaktrough in these matters, surely when adding extra time before the next release.

This was addressed to you, so may be discussion can progress if you consider it.

2008/12/17 Stanislav Visnovsky :

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On Wednesday 17 December 2008 15:25:27 Birger Kollstrand wrote:

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11. a standard yast module for server setup of net install of machines. This will aid in testing when there is a lot of machine variants to test. Easy restore to original config would be good also. (All server based :-) ) I have 15+ different computeres that I can test with , but it's to much work going back and forth now so I just use 2.

What is missing in yast2-instserver? And for restoring configuration, you can use autoyast Create Profile function and then deploy via autoyast.

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Y2008/12/20 Vincent Untz :

Le samedi 20 décembre 2008, à 14:23 +0100, Birger Kollstrand a écrit :

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Hey!

Thanks for hijacking the thread when it was specifically started with:

"It's not when it's available but more what Novell want's to achieve with it."

I hope you mean s/Novell/the community/.

Vincent

Yes, ...... and no. The community expresses what it wants via the malinglists, wikis and bugzillas. So that is quite open. What Novell wnat's is for me quite blank. And I really would like to know as I do belive that a good product is best made with a strong comany supporting a strong community. cu