[opensuse-factory] Leap 42.2: Kmail 5.3.0 installed as default
Hi, I did a fresh install of Leap 42.2 RC2 from USB-Stick with update repositories enabled. Quite surprised to see that KMail 5.3.0 was installed by default - was the idea not to keep 4.14.10 (or so...)? Cheers Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2016-11-10 at 12:39 +0100, Axel Braun wrote:
Hi,
I did a fresh install of Leap 42.2 RC2 from USB-Stick with update repositories enabled. Quite surprised to see that KMail 5.3.0 was installed by default - was the idea not to keep 4.14.10 (or so...)?
If I have this right in mind, there is a difference if you UPDATE from 42.1 or if you do a new install. An upgrader will keep version 4.x and a new install will get 5.x; If you don't upgrade, there should be no problem in getting the newer version. Cheers, dominique
On 2016-11-10 13:00, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
On Thu, 2016-11-10 at 12:39 +0100, Axel Braun wrote:
Hi,
I did a fresh install of Leap 42.2 RC2 from USB-Stick with update repositories enabled. Quite surprised to see that KMail 5.3.0 was installed by default - was the idea not to keep 4.14.10 (or so...)?
If I have this right in mind, there is a difference if you UPDATE from 42.1 or if you do a new install.
An upgrader will keep version 4.x and a new install will get 5.x; If you don't upgrade, there should be no problem in getting the newer version.
I don't understand this. A correct system upgrade should get the exact same version as a fresh install. That has been my experience during many years of SuSE/openSUSE upgrades. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 13:05:19 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I don't understand this. A correct system upgrade should get the exact same version as a fresh install. That has been my experience during many years of SuSE/openSUSE upgrades.
Not in this case though. The kdepim5 packages are named differently than the kdepim4 counterparts (e.g. kmail5 instead of kmail), and do not replace them automatically. This was done on purpose to prevent surprises when upgrading (at least 2 applications are even missing in kdepim5, namely knode and ktimetracker have been dropped upstream). But the installation patterns do recommend to kdepim5 versions, so those will be installed if on a fresh installation (on upgrades not because they conflict). It's even mentioned in the release notes: https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/42.2/#sec.genera... Note that this only applies to Leap 42.2. For Tumbleweed, the kdepim5 packages are setup to really *replace* kdepim4 (which is not even available in Tumbleweed any more since months) automatically on updates/upgrades, and according to plan this will be done for Leap 42.3 too. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-11-10 13:47, Wolfgang Bauer wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 13:05:19 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I don't understand this. A correct system upgrade should get the exact same version as a fresh install. That has been my experience during many years of SuSE/openSUSE upgrades.
Not in this case though.
The kdepim5 packages are named differently than the kdepim4 counterparts (e.g. kmail5 instead of kmail), and do not replace them automatically.
This was done on purpose to prevent surprises when upgrading (at least 2 applications are even missing in kdepim5, namely knode and ktimetracker have been dropped upstream).
I see. Very curious.
But the installation patterns do recommend to kdepim5 versions, so those will be installed if on a fresh installation (on upgrades not because they conflict).
What happens with the DVD upgrade method? It is pattern based.
It's even mentioned in the release notes: https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/42.2/#sec.genera...
I have that page opened, and it doesn't mention this. Maybe page not refreshed or something... Ok, I now see it. [...] It does not mention the upgrade path difference. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 14:01:41 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
But the installation patterns do recommend to kdepim5 versions, so those will be installed if on a fresh installation (on upgrades not because they conflict).
What happens with the DVD upgrade method? It is pattern based.
Even a "zypper dup" is "pattern based" (at least if patterns are installed in the first place). The packages and patterns in the distribution are the same, regardless which method you use. So there should be no difference. A "recommends" is only a weak dependency, the package management will silently ignore it if it cannot be fulfilled (because kdepim4 is installed already e.g.).
It's even mentioned in the release notes: https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/42.2/#sec.gene ral.kdepim I have that page opened, and it doesn't mention this. Maybe page not refreshed or something... Ok, I now see it. [...] It does not mention the upgrade path difference.
There is no (should not be) an "upgrade path difference". Why do you expect one? Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-11-10 15:22, Wolfgang Bauer wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 14:01:41 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
It's even mentioned in the release notes: https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/42.2/#sec.gene ral.kdepim I have that page opened, and it doesn't mention this. Maybe page not refreshed or something... Ok, I now see it. [...] It does not mention the upgrade path difference.
There is no (should not be) an "upgrade path difference". Why do you expect one?
Well, you said that the version installed will be different for a fresh install than for a distribution upgraded machine. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 18:44:25 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
There is no (should not be) an "upgrade path difference". Why do you expect one?
Well, you said that the version installed will be different for a fresh install than for a distribution upgraded machine.
Yes, but how does this imply that there's a difference depending on *how* you upgrade? Again, a fresh installation will automatically select KDEPIM5. On upgrades from previous versions, the one (KDEPIM4 *or* KDEPIM5) that is installed will be kept. I.e.: - if KDEPIM4 was installed, KDEPIM4 will still be installed after the upgrade (updated to the KDEPIM4 packages in 42.2 of course, which are basically be the same as in 42.1 or 13.2). - If KDEPIM5 was installed (which was available in 42.1 already, but not installed by default), it will be updated to the newer KDEPIM5 version in 42.2. Both are still included in 42.2. I hope that's clear now... ;-) Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-11-10 21:30, Wolfgang Bauer wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 18:44:25 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
There is no (should not be) an "upgrade path difference". Why do you expect one?
Well, you said that the version installed will be different for a fresh install than for a distribution upgraded machine.
Yes, but how does this imply that there's a difference depending on *how* you upgrade?
No, that was a misunderstanding due to an error in my English language management. My comment was about the release notes not saying directly that you get different versions with a fresh install compared to an upgrade. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 13:47:00 schrieb Wolfgang Bauer:
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 13:05:19 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I don't understand this. A correct system upgrade should get the exact same version as a fresh install. That has been my experience during many years of SuSE/openSUSE upgrades.
Not in this case though.
The kdepim5 packages are named differently than the kdepim4 counterparts (e.g. kmail5 instead of kmail), and do not replace them automatically.
This was done on purpose to prevent surprises when upgrading (at least 2 applications are even missing in kdepim5, namely knode and ktimetracker have been dropped upstream).
As said, the new install with existing /home-partition is not covered by this. Having knode dropped is as well not ideal.... KMail 5.3.0 seems to load all mail again. The Email overview (upper right window) is terrible to read in the default theme - too low contrast between text and background. All mails require 2 lines, while the old kmail displayed the information (sender, subject, etc) in one line. Did not find the option to get the old settings back - any idea? Cheers Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il giorno Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:33:07 +0100 Axel Braun <axel.braun@gmx.de> ha scritto:
while the old kmail displayed the information (sender, subject, etc) in one line. Did not find the option to get the old settings back - any idea?
Ensure you have "kdepim-addons" installed, then go to View > Headers> and select the header of your liking.
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 14:40:05 CET schrieb Luca Beltrame:
Il giorno Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:33:07 +0100
Axel Braun <axel.braun@gmx.de> ha scritto:
while the old kmail displayed the information (sender, subject, etc) in one line. Did not find the option to get the old settings back - any idea?
Ensure you have "kdepim-addons" installed, then go to View > Headers> and select the header of your liking.
It is installed. And it affects the message detail, not the overview See http://paste.opensuse.org/17437380 /Ax -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il giorno Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:53:27 +0100 Axel Braun <axel.braun@gmx.de> ha scritto:
It is installed. And it affects the message detail, not the overview See http://paste.opensuse.org/17437380
In that case, View > Message list > Theme. This however won't touch colors: colors depend on the system color scheme (which affects all KDE applications).
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 14:53:27 schrieb Axel Braun:
It is installed. And it affects the message detail, not the overview See http://paste.opensuse.org/17437380
Hm, that's how kmail4 looks here too... ;-) There are other styles available though, as has already been written by somebody else. (View->Message List->Design, this one is called "decorative, with clickable status", but there should be others to choose from) You can even create your own custom ones (in kmail4 already). Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Op donderdag 10 november 2016 15:36:12 CET schreef Wolfgang Bauer:
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 14:53:27 schrieb Axel Braun:
It is installed. And it affects the message detail, not the overview See http://paste.opensuse.org/17437380
Hm, that's how kmail4 looks here too... ;-)
There are other styles available though, as has already been written by somebody else. (View->Message List->Design, this one is called "decorative, with clickable status", but there should be others to choose from)
You can even create your own custom ones (in kmail4 already).
Kind Regards, Wolfgang
The 'classic' view is the one having only one line/message. One can even configure the columns etc. -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Op donderdag 10 november 2016 14:33:07 CET schreef Axel Braun:
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 13:47:00 schrieb Wolfgang Bauer:
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 13:05:19 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I don't understand this. A correct system upgrade should get the exact same version as a fresh install. That has been my experience during many years of SuSE/openSUSE upgrades.
Not in this case though.
The kdepim5 packages are named differently than the kdepim4 counterparts (e.g. kmail5 instead of kmail), and do not replace them automatically.
This was done on purpose to prevent surprises when upgrading (at least 2 applications are even missing in kdepim5, namely knode and ktimetracker have been dropped upstream).
As said, the new install with existing /home-partition is not covered by this. Having knode dropped is as well not ideal....
KMail 5.3.0 seems to load all mail again. The Email overview (upper right window) is terrible to read in the default theme - too low contrast between text and background. All mails require 2 lines, while the old kmail displayed the information (sender, subject, etc) in one line. Did not find the option to get the old settings back - any idea?
Cheers Axel
These are in the settings/theming. Play around with them until you're satisfied. Threaded, plain list, elegant, classic, whatever you like. -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 14:33:07 schrieb Axel Braun:
As said, the new install with existing /home-partition is not covered by this.
A new install is a new install. Regardless if you re-use /home or not. You can of course tell the installer to install kdepim4 instead, or you can install it afterwards too. You will have to explicitly allow deinstallation of the kdepim5 packages though, you should be able to select it in View->Headers (or whatever it is in english, it's Ansicht->Vorspann here, kmail4's default is called "Dekorativ"). And just to be clear: your akonadi setup will be "migrated" (actually the latest akonadi uses the same folders for config and data anyway). It's just some application specific settings that may not be migrated properly (no idea about details...). Although even this should be done in general, the applications should do this on first start. AFAIK the old kmail header style is still available though. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 10. November 2016 15:31:15 MEZ, schrieb Wolfgang Bauer <wbauer@tmo.at>:
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 14:33:07 schrieb Axel Braun:
As said, the new install with existing /home-partition is not covered by this.
A new install is a new install. Regardless if you re-use /home or not.
You can of course tell the installer to install kdepim4 instead, or you can install it afterwards too.
You will have to explicitly allow deinstallation of the kdepim5 packages though, you should be able to select it in View->Headers (or whatever it is in english, it's Ansicht->Vorspann here, kmail4's default is called "Dekorativ").
That's for the display of the mail, but the 'classic' view to show everything in one line is back as well. Thanks to all!
And just to be clear: your akonadi setup will be "migrated" (actually the latest akonadi uses the same folders for config and data anyway). It's just some application specific settings that may not be migrated properly (no idea about details...). Although even this should be done in general, the applications should do this on first start.
My impression is, if network is not up when akonadi is started (laptop/wifi), it stays in offline mode. Can anyone confirm? Best, Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il giorno Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:01:07 +0100 Axel Braun <Axel.braun@gmx.de> ha scritto:
My impression is, if network is not up when akonadi is started (laptop/wifi), it stays in offline mode. Can anyone confirm?
I noticed it's flaky. But you can easily restart things by switching offline / online in the menu, or restarting the individual accounts in Configure KMail > Accounts. I'm not sure if a bug report exists upstream for this.
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2016, 13:00:05 CET schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar:
On Thu, 2016-11-10 at 12:39 +0100, Axel Braun wrote:
Hi,
I did a fresh install of Leap 42.2 RC2 from USB-Stick with update repositories enabled. Quite surprised to see that KMail 5.3.0 was installed by default - was the idea not to keep 4.14.10 (or so...)?
If I have this right in mind, there is a difference if you UPDATE from 42.1 or if you do a new install.
An upgrader will keep version 4.x and a new install will get 5.x; If you don't upgrade, there should be no problem in getting the newer version.
OK...I have the third option: New install, but existing /home used Thanks Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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