Dear Tumbleweed users, For the last few months, several people have worked on porting packages dependent on gstreamer v0.10 to updated gstreamer 1.x, and we are left with only a few (unmaintained by upstream?) packages in Factory which are still dependent on the old version and are not portable in a straightforward way. These are (apart from gstreamer-0_10 plugins):
* freqtweak * ignuit * kde3-kaffeine * kdemultimedia3 * libucil * moodbar * morituri * pgadmin3 * psi+-plugins-psimediaplugin * python-gstreamer-0_10 * sffview * wxWidgets * wxWidgets-ansi * wxWidgets-wxcontainer * xfce4-mixer * xfce4-volumed
I would like to now (in a couple of days) file drop requests for the entire gstreamer-0_10 stack for openSUSE:Factory. This is a consequence of the lack of upstream support for gstreamer < 1.0 (GStreamer 1.0 was released on September 24, 2012), which makes, for instance, security issues such as [1] difficult to track and fix. Having this in the Tumbleweed distro is therefore ill-advised.
For Leap starting with 42.3 and beyond, we are, of course, dependent on SUSE for decisions relating to the dropping of gst 0.10, and I understand that it is expected to be maintained at least for the life- times of 42.x releases (please correct me if I am wrong).
To summarise, the gstreamer version 0.10.x stack (zypper se gstreamer- 0_10*) will soon be dropped from Factory, which will thereafter only carry upstream maintained stable releases of gstreamer 1.x. If you are a maintainer of any of the above pkgs, please consider patching your app to work with gstreamer 1.x to prevent them from becoming "unresolvable" soon.
Thanks for bearing with my long email, and wish everyone a very happy holiday season. Have a lot of fun!
[1] https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447173
Hi, As a follow-up to my previous mail...
On Sun, 2016-12-25 at 17:17 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Dear Tumbleweed users, For the last few months, several people have worked on porting packages dependent on gstreamer v0.10 to updated gstreamer 1.x, and we are left with only a few (unmaintained by upstream?) packages in Factory which are still dependent on the old version and are not portable in a straightforward way. These are (apart from gstreamer-0_10 plugins):
* freqtweak * ignuit * kde3-kaffeine * kdemultimedia3 * libucil * moodbar * morituri * pgadmin3 * psi+-plugins-psimediaplugin * python-gstreamer-0_10 * sffview * wxWidgets * wxWidgets-ansi * wxWidgets-wxcontainer * xfce4-mixer * xfce4-volumed
I would like to now (in a couple of days) file drop requests for the entire gstreamer-0_10 stack for openSUSE:Factory. This is a consequence of the lack of upstream support for gstreamer < 1.0 (GStreamer 1.0 was released on September 24, 2012), which makes, for instance, security issues such as [1] difficult to track and fix. Having this in the Tumbleweed distro is therefore ill-advised.
...the following droprequests have now been filed for openSUSE:Factory
* https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447869%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0gstrea... * https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447871%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0gstrea... plugins-bad * https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447872%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0gstrea... plugins-base * https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447873%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0gstrea... plugins-good * https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447874%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0gstrea... plugins-ugly * https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447875%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0python... 0_10 * https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447876%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0gstrea... plugins-gl * https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447877%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0gstrea... plugin-crystalhd
Thanks and best wishes.
On mardi, 27 décembre 2016 12.27:58 h CET Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi, As a follow-up to my previous mail...
On Sun, 2016-12-25 at 17:17 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Dear Tumbleweed users, For the last few months, several people have worked on porting packages dependent on gstreamer v0.10 to updated gstreamer 1.x, and we are left with only a few (unmaintained by upstream?) packages in Factory which are still dependent on the old version and are not portable in a straightforward way. These are (apart from gstreamer-0_10 plugins):
- freqtweak
- ignuit
- kde3-kaffeine
- kdemultimedia3
- libucil
- moodbar
- morituri
- pgadmin3
- psi+-plugins-psimediaplugin
- python-gstreamer-0_10
- sffview
- wxWidgets
- wxWidgets-ansi
- wxWidgets-wxcontainer
- xfce4-mixer
- xfce4-volumed
I would like to now (in a couple of days) file drop requests for the entire gstreamer-0_10 stack for openSUSE:Factory. This is a consequence of the lack of upstream support for gstreamer < 1.0 (GStreamer 1.0 was released on September 24, 2012), which makes, for instance, security issues such as [1] difficult to track and fix. Having this in the Tumbleweed distro is therefore ill-advised.
...the following droprequests have now been filed for openSUSE:Factory
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447869 gstreamer-0_10
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447871 gstreamer-0_10-> plugins-bad
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447872 gstreamer-0_10-> plugins-base
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447873 gstreamer-0_10-> plugins-good
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447874 gstreamer-0_10-> plugins-ugly
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447875 python-gstreamer-> 0_10
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447876 gstreamer-0_10-> plugins-gl
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447877 gstreamer-0_10-> plugin-crystalhd
Thanks and best wishes.
I hope you understand that most people are away during the end of year holliday season, and giving only 48 hours to people to react seems to be a bit offensive, in terms of approach, don't you think ?
I would like to dig into pgadmin3 why it would need gst. We don't have any replacement tool for the moment, (pgadmin4 is not 100% ready for use by mass) so we can't simply drop it because of...
But I need free time, which I will only have a bit next week, if nothing goes bad.
Thanks.
On 12/27/2016 06:58 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On mardi, 27 décembre 2016 12.27:58 h CET Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi, As a follow-up to my previous mail...
On Sun, 2016-12-25 at 17:17 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Dear Tumbleweed users, For the last few months, several people have worked on porting packages dependent on gstreamer v0.10 to updated gstreamer 1.x, and we are left with only a few (unmaintained by upstream?) packages in Factory which are still dependent on the old version and are not portable in a straightforward way. These are (apart from gstreamer-0_10 plugins):
- freqtweak
- ignuit
- kde3-kaffeine
- kdemultimedia3
- libucil
- moodbar
- morituri
- pgadmin3
- psi+-plugins-psimediaplugin
- python-gstreamer-0_10
- sffview
- wxWidgets
- wxWidgets-ansi
- wxWidgets-wxcontainer
- xfce4-mixer
- xfce4-volumed
I would like to now (in a couple of days) file drop requests for the entire gstreamer-0_10 stack for openSUSE:Factory. This is a consequence of the lack of upstream support for gstreamer < 1.0 (GStreamer 1.0 was released on September 24, 2012), which makes, for instance, security issues such as [1] difficult to track and fix. Having this in the Tumbleweed distro is therefore ill-advised.
...the following droprequests have now been filed for openSUSE:Factory
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447869 gstreamer-0_10
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447871 gstreamer-0_10-> plugins-bad
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447872 gstreamer-0_10-> plugins-base
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447873 gstreamer-0_10-> plugins-good
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447874 gstreamer-0_10-> plugins-ugly
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447875 python-gstreamer-> 0_10
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447876 gstreamer-0_10-> plugins-gl
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447877 gstreamer-0_10-> plugin-crystalhd
Thanks and best wishes.
I hope you understand that most people are away during the end of year holliday season, and giving only 48 hours to people to react seems to be a bit offensive, in terms of approach, don't you think ?
I would like to dig into pgadmin3 why it would need gst. We don't have any replacement tool for the moment, (pgadmin4 is not 100% ready for use by mass) so we can't simply drop it because of...
But I need free time, which I will only have a bit next week, if nothing goes bad.
I've grouped all these delete requests in a staging project, and locked some of them by added the additional review to Dominique and me, we have to check how many packages are effected and let people have time to fix them if it's possible...or continue to discuss this change. Therefore these requests will not merge into Factory this year at least, so Happy New Year!
Regards, Max
On Tue, 2016-12-27 at 11:58 +0100, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On mardi, 27 décembre 2016 12.27:58 h CET Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
I hope you understand that most people are away during the end of year holliday season, and giving only 48 hours to people to react seems to be a bit offensive, in terms of approach, don't you think ?
High time it were! Just curious, did you also not see https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2016-05/msg00084.html from seven months ago? If no one had the time to step up and port the pkgs listed there (and still remaining in the list I sent in my email) for seven months, then I suppose it is simply natural to assume no one cares. That list is much shorter today, in part because some pkgs got fixed to work with gst >= 1.0 by their maintainers/users/whomever.
On Tue, 2016-12-27 at 11:58 +0100, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On mardi, 27 décembre 2016 12.27:58 h CET Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi, As a follow-up to my previous mail...
On Sun, 2016-12-25 at 17:17 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Dear Tumbleweed users, For the last few months, several people have worked on porting packages dependent on gstreamer v0.10 to updated gstreamer 1.x, and we are left with only a few (unmaintained by upstream?) packages in Factory which are still dependent on the old version and are not portable in a straightforward way. These are (apart from gstreamer-0_10 plugins):
* freqtweak * ignuit * kde3-kaffeine * kdemultimedia3 * libucil * moodbar * morituri * pgadmin3 * psi+-plugins-psimediaplugin * python-gstreamer-0_10 * sffview * wxWidgets * wxWidgets-ansi * wxWidgets-wxcontainer * xfce4-mixer * xfce4-volumed
I would like to now (in a couple of days) file drop requests for the entire gstreamer-0_10 stack for openSUSE:Factory. This is a consequence of the lack of upstream support for gstreamer < 1.0 (GStreamer 1.0 was released on September 24, 2012), which makes, for instance, security issues such as [1] difficult to track and fix. Having this in the Tumbleweed distro is therefore ill-advised.
...the following droprequests have now been filed for openSUSE:Factory
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447869%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0gstrea...
- https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/447871%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0gstrea...
plugins-bad
plugins-base
plugins-good
plugins-ugly
gstreamer-> 0_10
plugins-gl
plugin-crystalhd
Thanks and best wishes.
I hope you understand that most people are away during the end of year holliday season, and giving only 48 hours to people to react seems to be a bit offensive, in terms of approach, don't you think ?
I would like to dig into pgadmin3 why it would need gst. We don't have any replacement tool for the moment, (pgadmin4 is not 100% ready for use by mass) so we can't simply drop it because of...
It depends on gst-0_10 indirectly, because wxWidgets 2.8 still depends on gst 0.10 (wxWidgets >= 3.0 versions have been patched to work with gst >= 1.0 in openSUSE:Factory).
Hope that helps.
On mardi, 27 décembre 2016 19.15:33 h CET Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
On Tue, 2016-12-27 at 11:58 +0100, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On mardi, 27 décembre 2016 12.27:58 h CET Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi, As a follow-up to my previous mail...
On Sun, 2016-12-25 at 17:17 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
[snip]
plugin-crystalhd
Thanks and best wishes.
I hope you understand that most people are away during the end of year holliday season, and giving only 48 hours to people to react seems to be a bit offensive, in terms of approach, don't you think ?
I would like to dig into pgadmin3 why it would need gst. We don't have any replacement tool for the moment, (pgadmin4 is not 100% ready for use by mass) so we can't simply drop it because of...
It depends on gst-0_10 indirectly, because wxWidgets 2.8 still depends on gst 0.10 (wxWidgets >= 3.0 versions have been patched to work with gst >= 1.0 in openSUSE:Factory).
Hope that helps.
I've seen some distribution using wx3, and just to complicate a bit pgadmin3 is deprecated upstream, but still has got some updates :-) the packaging fight will be interesting ...
Well, seems the right time to put a lock on it :-)
On mardi, 27 décembre 2016 17.06:52 h CET Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On mardi, 27 décembre 2016 19.15:33 h CET Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
On Tue, 2016-12-27 at 11:58 +0100, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On mardi, 27 décembre 2016 12.27:58 h CET Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi, As a follow-up to my previous mail...
On Sun, 2016-12-25 at 17:17 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
[snip]
plugin-crystalhd
Thanks and best wishes.
I hope you understand that most people are away during the end of year holliday season, and giving only 48 hours to people to react seems to be a bit offensive, in terms of approach, don't you think ?
I would like to dig into pgadmin3 why it would need gst. We don't have any replacement tool for the moment, (pgadmin4 is not 100% ready for use by mass) so we can't simply drop it because of...
It depends on gst-0_10 indirectly, because wxWidgets 2.8 still depends on gst 0.10 (wxWidgets >= 3.0 versions have been patched to work with gst >= 1.0 in openSUSE:Factory).
Hope that helps.
I've seen some distribution using wx3, and just to complicate a bit pgadmin3 is deprecated upstream, but still has got some updates :-) the packaging fight will be interesting ...
Well, seems the right time to put a lock on it :-)
Okay a follow up on that subject, After playing with the spec I was able to build a pgadmin3 first with newer sources, already in server:database:postgresl
and then here https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/ home:bruno_friedmann:branches:server:database:postgresql/pgadmin3
I'm in the process to have one build against wxWidget 3.0 which then doesn't depend anymore indirectly to gst 0_10 nor wxWidget 2.8 I was able to cleanup completely my TW and still have a pgadmin3 that works at least for what I'm doing.
If anybody else want to give it a try, having at least 2 positive feedback will confort myself to send a sr back to server:database:postgresql
Also any contribution is welcomed to fix build errors on other plateform. Disclaimer, I'm not the original author, just trying to save this piece of software until I'm able to have a working and stable pgadmin4 ;-)
On Tue, 2016-12-27 at 11:58 +0100, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
I would like to dig into pgadmin3 why it would need gst. We don't have any replacement tool for the moment, (pgadmin4 is not 100% ready for use by mass) so we can't simply drop it because of...
pgadmin3 is a false positive I'd guess: it's in the list because of wxWidgets.
Cheers, Dominique
On Sunday, December 25, 2016 5:17:38 PM CST Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Dear Tumbleweed users, For the last few months, several people have worked on porting packages dependent on gstreamer v0.10 to updated gstreamer 1.x, and we are left with only a few (unmaintained by upstream?) packages in Factory which are still dependent on the old version and are not portable in a straightforward way. These are (apart from gstreamer-0_10 plugins):
Shouldn't gnash be on the list? I recently started using it, but didn't notice the dependancy until I pulled gst 0.10 into a new Leap installation just the other day.
- freqtweak
- ignuit
- kde3-kaffeine
- kdemultimedia3
- libucil
- moodbar
- morituri
- pgadmin3
- psi+-plugins-psimediaplugin
- python-gstreamer-0_10
- sffview
- wxWidgets
- wxWidgets-ansi
- wxWidgets-wxcontainer
- xfce4-mixer
- xfce4-volumed
[...]
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 4:34:13 PM CST Johannes Kastl wrote:
On 04.01.17 16:21 Tom Hardy wrote:
packages in Factory which are still dependent on the old version
^^^^^^^until I pulled gst 0.10 into a new Leap installation just the other
^^^^day.
I guess no.
Are you sure about that? I've got a Tumbleweed installation with both gnash and gst 0.10, plus a new Leap installation where gnash pulled in gst 0.10. It's a simple dual boot--I'll check Tumbleweed the next time I reboot.
on., 04.01.2017 kl. 19.33 +0100, skrev Johannes Kastl:
On 04.01.17 17:42 Tom Hardy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 4:34:13 PM CST Johannes Kastl wrote:
I guess no.
Are you sure about that?
No, that's why I wrote "guess". Don't have a TW at hand atm to check myself...
Johannes
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