On 08/03/11 09:48, Ralf Lang wrote:

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This is similar to the experience mentioned by Greg KH regarding Tumbleweed "Tumbleweed for 11.3 is now closed" but in answer to that thread I have updated 3 machines from 11.3 to 11.4, x86_64 and i386, by changing the repos on those that are available and disabling those that are not, I actually did it with 11.2 to 11.4 and that is also running.

Did you do zypper in zypper before zypper up because I did not.

No I intentionally didn't. It's not that I could not make it to upgrade with some fiddling - the point is that for the average guy it won't work out. Another user on that ticket could also reproduce this behaviour.

Maybe the problem is more with the most recent 11.3 updates that with the 11.4 repo.

Just installed a minimum text 11.3 in virtualbox, did not do any updates from the original .iso and get exactly what you have. DC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

I do disabled all repo other than the oss one of 11.4, but the liblzma problem stills occured. 在 2011 3月 08 星期二 16:37:06，Dave Cotton 写道：

This is similar to the experience mentioned by Greg KH regarding Tumbleweed "Tumbleweed for 11.3 is now closed" but in answer to that thread I have updated 3 machines from 11.3 to 11.4, x86_64 and i386, by changing the repos on those that are available and disabling those that are not, I actually did it with 11.2 to 11.4 and that is also running.

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On 08/03/11 10:33, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Yep, good thing I opened the repos that early. I'll redo the drop list.

What changed during yesterday because My 11.3 -> 11.4 updates where done as soon as word was out that 11.4 was on the server, yesterday lots of packages were updated. DC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 08/03/11 12:05, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Possibly you had other software installed that required liblzma0

I checked on all the updated machines and liblzma0 was still on each one so that would seem to be the solution, lucky for me. DC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 03/08/2011 10:14 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am Dienstag, 8. März 2011 schrieb Ralf Lang:

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I just verified on two distinct installations that zypper dup from 11.3 to 11.4 will fail and break the package system by removing liblzma. This might be a major pita when 11.4 is announced and the average guy does an upgrade.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=677678

OK, that bug should have a work around now. If someone could verify (anyone still having 11.3? :) it would be fantastic.

The workaround in http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Most_annoying_bugs_11.4 is good. If one does 'zypper up rpm' _before_ zypper dup, then it is OK. That works from 11.3, 11.4 RC1 and 11.4 RC2. To publicize the problem/workaround as much as possible, it was posted in the opensuse.org.help.prerelease-beta forum, reposted in o.o.h.install-boot-login, and added to http://tinyurl.com/64vyovj, the Preinstallation FAQ. How soon can the fix be put into the FTP upgrade sites? Once that is done, the bug will no longer affect the people doing on-line upgrades, which should cover the bulk of users. I, for one, never upgrade from the DVD. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 03/08/2011 02:40 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

I announced it to say that the FTP site is changed to work around the bug. The actual fix is in zypper, but that will be 11.4+

Good to hear. That will minimize the pain. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 10. März 2011, 08:28:37 schrieb Karl Eichwalder:

This is not a workaround. This is how it is documented and it is an essential requirement to update the package management stack from the target distribution before starting with "zypper dup". (We actually ask to run "zypper up zypper" or "zypper in zypper"; see the Reference guide, Chap. 15.1.4--it is in the docs that way since ages and developers recently confirmed that it is needed.)

If I search http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade for zypper in zypper or zypper up zypper I do not find anything. So if that is the official way of doing things, the SDB article should be kept up-to-date. I remember that it was part of the article (or its predecessor) yet since it was removed I thought there was a reason for it. For me a simple zypper dup worked. Without any conflicts and without any zypper in zypper or zypper up zypper. I might just have been lucky though. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Just thought I would post on two personal expereinces of upgrading from 11.3 > 11.4. One I did zypper in zypper first, it asked about five quite complex questions, but I am experienced enough to know that mostly what it wants to delete or upgrade or switch vendor is usually ok and it worked. (Done at init 3). In this laptop I did a running upgrade at init 5, whilst continuing to surf the net and chat on irc. The only command used was zypper dup. Everything worked perfectly, I just had to remove a few out of date repos which were not essential. End result is both machines on 11.4 but dup asked far less questions. Stuart On Thursday 10 Mar 2011 08:00:36 Karl Eichwalder wrote:

Sven Burmeister writes:

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If I search http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade for zypper in zypper or zypper up zypper I do not find anything. So if that is the official way of doing things, the SDB article should be kept up-to-date.

It's a wiki and everyone can change it (and does it). I do not believe in wikis, though.

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I remember that it was part of the article (or its predecessor) yet since it was removed I thought there was a reason for it.

It's in the history:

14:25, 15 July 2010 Dominian (Talk | contribs) (6,054 bytes) (Removed 'zypper in zypper' as this was causing issues on systems noted in #suse on freenode)

And oviously blessed by Hennevogel.

I do not know whether they talked to the developers (I did several months ago); maybe, things changed in the meantime--but then it would have been nice to report the changes to the docs team and create an entry for the release notes...

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For me a simple zypper dup worked. Without any conflicts and without any zypper in zypper or zypper up zypper. I might just have been lucky though.

It works most of the time, but it could fail at any time.

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On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:28:37AM +0100, Karl Eichwalder wrote:

Larry Finger writes:

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=677678

OK, that bug should have a work around now. If someone could verify (anyone still having 11.3? :) it would be fantastic.

The workaround in http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Most_annoying_bugs_11.4 is good. If one does 'zypper up rpm' _before_ zypper dup, then it is OK. That works from 11.3, 11.4 RC1 and 11.4 RC2.

This is not a workaround. This is how it is documented and it is an essential requirement to update the package management stack from the target distribution before starting with "zypper dup". (We actually ask to run "zypper up zypper" or "zypper in zypper"; see the Reference guide, Chap. 15.1.4--it is in the docs that way since ages and developers recently confirmed that it is needed.)

Another common mistake is to "work" as a regualar user during "zypper dup". It is undefined what may happen in those cases.

Even if announced as a "live update", it is a plain distribution upgrade...

During lunch with Michael Schroeder he says "this is wrong wrong wrong". :) Just "zypper dup" should work, but I let him chime in. Ciao, MArcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

 I upgraded 11.3 to 11.4 by manually installing liblzma after being  uninstalled (extract from rpm file) and then everything works perfectly,  only using:  zypper dup --download "in-advance"  Best regards. On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Robert Schweikert wrote:

On 03/08/2011 11:14 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am Dienstag, 8. März 2011 schrieb Ralf Lang:

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I just verified on two distinct installations that zypper dup from 11.3 to 11.4 will fail and break the package system by removing liblzma. This might be a major pita when 11.4 is announced and the average guy does an upgrade.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=677678

OK, that bug should have a work around now. If someone could verify (anyone still having 11.3? :) it would be fantastic.

The work around works for me.

After changing the repos -> zypper in zypper -> zypper up rpm -> zypper dup

However, I do loose my display in this process (after zypper in zypper) and end up having to reboot to get into runlevel 3. Then I needed to configure the network manually as yast is not working yet and I had the network setup to be dealt with by NetworkManager.

The work around allows me to complete the upgrade, however, it's still not in an appropriate state for the "average joe".

BTW, this is the second machine that had the "loosing the X-server" problem. Thus I'd say it is not isolated. I did not try the "just run zypper dup" method.

After zypper dup is complete X-server works again as expected.

Later, Robert

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On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Robert Schweikert wrote:

OK, one more note. I had the best success just running 'zypper dup' after changing the repos (this was mentioned earlier in the thread)

I've had to kill the upgrade twice so far because of hangs. Not sure if the 2nd restart will finish, but it's showing less packages needed each time(of course, the kernel was the first failure, so I dunno what will happen. Oh well, it's not a production machine).

I would say just using "zypper dup" provides the upgrade experience we're looking for.

Seems like it should just upgrade zypper first, and then do the upgrade. I don't really know that much about it tho. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 08.03.2011 17:14, schrieb Stephan Kulow:

Am Dienstag, 8. März 2011 schrieb Ralf Lang:

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I just verified on two distinct installations that zypper dup from 11.3 to 11.4 will fail and break the package system by removing liblzma. This might be a major pita when 11.4 is announced and the average guy does an upgrade.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=677678

OK, that bug should have a work around now. If someone could verify (anyone still having 11.3? :) it would be fantastic.

Greetings, Stephan

zypper dup no more removes liblzma0. only the "zypper in zypper" complains about conflicts, with option 2 of 5 being the only one not causing a bunch of more questions. And that includes removing PackageKit and kupdateapplet which is not really nice. I will have to add zypper dup tests to openQA automation to counter Murphy's law: everything that can fail, will eventually fail. Ciao Bernhard M. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk12lBAACgkQSTYLOx37oWQssgCfXV6OxfAr/S4WVOrkK/AZecE8 dcIAoJ5cFWebSBcdpxdPLhPcy5+JXIXJ =6Zj5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org