[opensuse-factory] Renaming the chromium package to chromium-browser and chromium-bsu back to chromium
Some time long ago back in the dark ages we allowed one of the greatest travesties of all time take place where buy the chromium name was stolen away from a humble arcade shooter with space ships and lasers then given to a big ugly memory sucking corporate browser. Its clearly in the interest of our users that this issue is fixed swiftly, I mean who needs a web browser when you can have a space shooter. Clearly as a project we have our priorities wrong (As does debian) here is the thread where they made the same mistake https://lists.macports.org/pipermail/macports-dev/2010-July/012326.html https://sourceforge.net/projects/chromium-bsu/ -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, On pon, Apr 1, 2019 at 2:33 AM, Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de> wrote:
Some time long ago back in the dark ages we allowed one of the greatest travesties of all time take place where buy the chromium name was stolen away from a humble arcade shooter with space ships and lasers then given to a big ugly memory sucking corporate browser.
Its clearly in the interest of our users that this issue is fixed swiftly, I mean who needs a web browser when you can have a space shooter. Clearly as a project we have our priorities wrong (As does debian) here is the thread where they made the same mistake https://lists.macports.org/pipermail/macports-dev/2010-July/012326.html
I was fully unaware of this, and I hope it's resolved soon. chromium-browser makes way more sense, so does chromium in place of chromium-bsu. Down with corporations, we need the games to be noticed. LCP [Stasiek] The Sith Lord https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/1/19 8:33 AM, Simon Lees wrote:
, I mean who needs a web browser when you can have a space shooter.
Agreed ;-) -- Maurizio Galli (MauG) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/1/19 2:33 AM, Simon Lees wrote:
Its clearly in the interest of our users that this issue is fixed swiftly, I mean who needs a web browser when you can have a space shooter. Clearly as a project we have our priorities wrong (As does debian) here is the thread where they made the same mistake https://lists.macports.org/pipermail/macports-dev/2010-July/012326.html
You are linking a discussion on Macports but mention Debian? FWIW, in Debian, the source package name chromium is owned by the browser since 2018 [1]. This includes the binary package "chromium" as well. Adrian
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On 01/04/2019 18:18, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 4/1/19 2:33 AM, Simon Lees wrote:
Its clearly in the interest of our users that this issue is fixed swiftly, I mean who needs a web browser when you can have a space shooter. Clearly as a project we have our priorities wrong (As does debian) here is the thread where they made the same mistake https://lists.macports.org/pipermail/macports-dev/2010-July/012326.html
You are linking a discussion on Macports but mention Debian?
I'll blame my lack of coffee before using google this morning. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 2019-04-01 02:33, Simon Lees wrote:
Some time long ago back in the dark ages we allowed one of the greatest travesties of all time take place where buy the chromium name was stolen away from a humble arcade shooter with space ships and lasers then given to a big ugly memory sucking corporate browser. https://sourceforge.net/projects/chromium-bsu/
As much as I am with you on the corporate travesty part, I find it hard to support agreement for the CBSU move. * It is the year 2000. Internet was still on the rise. Funpics still outweighed memes. Sourceforge still had a mandatory project review. Someone registers "Chromium", http://sf.net/projects/chromium/ , in December 2000 as: """Chromium is a flexible framework for scalable real-time rendering on clusters of workstations, derived from the Stanford WireGL project code base.""" * chromium-bsu only made it onto Sourceforge on 21 January 2001, at which point the "UNIX project name" debate was practically over, even if CBSU existed before 2000. * The web.archive.org search engine crawled the then-homepage of Chromium BSU on January 24 2001, and the page presents the project as "Chromium B.S.U.". This indicates to me that the project had, rather quickly (within a month), accepted its name collision fate. Related anecdote: """The name [FUSE] wanted to be a clever acronym for "Filesystem in USErspace", but it turned out to be an unfortunate choice. The author has since vowed never to name a project after a common term, not even anything found more than a handful of times on Google.""" (FUSE FAQ) * So the homepage says the title is "Chromium B.S.U.". Titles are not always directly usable as a Sourceforge UNIX project name/openSUSE package name because of spaces and dots, but they give an indication what it should be like. "chromium-bsu" and "chromium_bsu" are the closest. * The Sourceforge/Github/Gitlab/Savannah/etc./etc. project name is a generally strong indicator for what the openSUSE package name should be like. (Sourceforge/Savannah did not allow for underscores, so people used dashes instead.) * The source code tarballs' filenames also give the/an indication. Who would have thought, it is "chromium-bsu" too. Three unison voices for "chromium-bsu". That has got to be the openSUSE package name, as per our package naming policies. Irrespective of whether you love or loathe chromium-the-browser. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/04/2019 18:28, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Monday 2019-04-01 02:33, Simon Lees wrote:
Some time long ago back in the dark ages we allowed one of the greatest travesties of all time take place where buy the chromium name was stolen away from a humble arcade shooter with space ships and lasers then given to a big ugly memory sucking corporate browser. https://sourceforge.net/projects/chromium-bsu/
As much as I am with you on the corporate travesty part, I find it hard to support agreement for the CBSU move.
* It is the year 2000. Internet was still on the rise. Funpics still outweighed memes. Sourceforge still had a mandatory project review.
Someone registers "Chromium", http://sf.net/projects/chromium/ , in December 2000 as: """Chromium is a flexible framework for scalable real-time rendering on clusters of workstations, derived from the Stanford WireGL project code base."""
* chromium-bsu only made it onto Sourceforge on 21 January 2001, at which point the "UNIX project name" debate was practically over, even if CBSU existed before 2000.
* The web.archive.org search engine crawled the then-homepage of Chromium BSU on January 24 2001, and the page presents the project as "Chromium B.S.U.". This indicates to me that the project had, rather quickly (within a month), accepted its name collision fate.
On the other hand we at openSUSE expect people to "Have a lot of fun" and clearly renaming chromium-bsu to chromium will cause people to have a lot of fun the first time they run chromium after the update. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 2019-04-01 10:08, Simon Lees wrote:
Some time long ago back in the dark ages we allowed one of the greatest travesties of all time take place where buy the chromium name was stolen away from a humble arcade shooter with space ships and lasers then given to a big ugly memory sucking corporate browser. https://sourceforge.net/projects/chromium-bsu/
On the other hand we at openSUSE expect people to "Have a lot of fun" and clearly renaming chromium-bsu to chromium will cause people to have a lot of fun the first time they run chromium after the update.
You don't need a cbsu rename to get there. Take inspiration from openssl-1_0.spec, openssl-1_1.spec and libressl.spec. They all provide /usr/bin/openssl, it's like a box of chocolate ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Montag, 1. April 2019, 10:14:34 CEST schrieb Jan Engelhardt:
On Monday 2019-04-01 10:08, Simon Lees wrote:
Some time long ago back in the dark ages we allowed one of the greatest travesties of all time take place where buy the chromium name was stolen away from a humble arcade shooter with space ships and lasers then given to a big ugly memory sucking corporate browser. https://sourceforge.net/projects/chromium-bsu/
On the other hand we at openSUSE expect people to "Have a lot of fun" and clearly renaming chromium-bsu to chromium will cause people to have a lot of fun the first time they run chromium after the update.
You don't need a cbsu rename to get there.
Take inspiration from openssl-1_0.spec, openssl-1_1.spec and libressl.spec. They all provide /usr/bin/openssl, it's like a box of chocolate ;-)
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Let's make /usr/bin/chromium managed by update-alternatives [1]. The game should of course be the default target because, you know, "Have a lot of fun!" ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz [1] I'd even argue that this is the first case where update-alternatives is really useful ;-) -- <sbeattie> [...] this is phpsysinfo, so I assume the most complicated approach possible will be chosen [from #apparmor] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 1. April 2019, 10:08:03 CEST schrieb Simon Lees:
On 01/04/2019 18:28, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Monday 2019-04-01 02:33, Simon Lees wrote:
Some time long ago back in the dark ages we allowed one of the greatest travesties of all time take place where buy the chromium name was stolen away from a humble arcade shooter with space ships and lasers then given to a big ugly memory sucking corporate browser. https://sourceforge.net/projects/chromium-bsu/
As much as I am with you on the corporate travesty part, I find it hard to support agreement for the CBSU move.
* It is the year 2000. Internet was still on the rise. Funpics still
outweighed memes. Sourceforge still had a mandatory project review.
Someone registers "Chromium", http://sf.net/projects/chromium/ , in December 2000 as: """Chromium is a flexible framework for scalable real-time rendering on clusters of workstations, derived from the Stanford WireGL project code base."""
* chromium-bsu only made it onto Sourceforge on 21 January 2001,
at which point the "UNIX project name" debate was practically over, even if CBSU existed before 2000.
* The web.archive.org search engine crawled the then-homepage
of Chromium BSU on January 24 2001, and the page presents the project as "Chromium B.S.U.". This indicates to me that the project had, rather quickly (within a month), accepted its name collision fate.
On the other hand we at openSUSE expect people to "Have a lot of fun" and clearly renaming chromium-bsu to chromium will cause people to have a lot of fun the first time they run chromium after the update.
I say we strip unnecessary stuff like LibreOffice and YaST from the default desktop patterns (making spreadsheets or changing system settings is rather boring and not really "a lot of fun") and install all games by default instead. regards
On Monday 2019-04-01 18:14, Maximilian Trummer wrote:
On the other hand we at openSUSE expect people to "Have a lot of fun" and clearly renaming chromium-bsu to chromium will cause people to have a lot of fun the first time they run chromium after the update.
I say we strip unnecessary stuff like LibreOffice and YaST from the default desktop patterns (making spreadsheets or changing system settings is rather boring and not really "a lot of fun") and install all games by default instead.
I think you want https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2019-04/msg00006.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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Maurizio Galli (MauG) -
Maximilian Trummer -
Simon Lees -
Stasiek Michalski