On 8/17/23 15:52, Ahmad Samir wrote:

On 17/8/23 22:18, Joe Salmeri wrote:

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Is there a reason that Thunderbird 115 is being held back ?

      Version 115.0.1 was released on 07/20/2023 which was almost a month ago

      Version 115.1.0 was released on 08/01/2023

      Version 115.1.1 was released on 08/15/2023

If I look at openSUSE build the builds are disabled

https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/mozilla/thunderbird115

Is there an ETA as to when it will be published ?

Thanks

Reading https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/115.0/releasenotes/ I found:

«Thunderbird version 115.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 102 or earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier versions.»

That might be the reason why it's not in the repos yet.

Regards, Ahmad Samir

That could certainly be the case, however, I have seen that same message every time there is a new major version and in the past that has not stopped it from being pushed out. And it does not explain why Leap 15 has it now but Factory and Tumbleweed don't.... -- Regards, Joe

On 8/18/23 07:27, Daniel Noga wrote:

Dne 17. 08. 23 v 21:18 Joe Salmeri napsal(a):

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Is there a reason that Thunderbird 115 is being held back ?

    Version 115.0.1 was released on 07/20/2023 which was almost a month ago

    Version 115.1.0 was released on 08/01/2023

    Version 115.1.1 was released on 08/15/2023

If I look at openSUSE build the builds are disabled

https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/mozilla/thunderbird115

Is there an ETA as to when it will be published ?

Thanks

Just as an interesting note, it is available already in Leap 15

Well that's really odd..... Since when does Leap get newer versions of packages than what Tumbleweed and Factory have ??? -- Regards, Joe

Am 18.08.23 um 16:14 schrieb Manfred Hollstein:

Hey Joe, (always wanted to write this one... :)

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 15:57:13 +0200, Joe Salmeri wrote:

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Dne 17. 08. 23 v 21:18 Joe Salmeri napsal(a):

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Is there a reason that Thunderbird 115 is being held back ?

    Version 115.0.1 was released on 07/20/2023 which was almost a month ago

    Version 115.1.0 was released on 08/01/2023

    Version 115.1.1 was released on 08/15/2023

If I look at openSUSE build the builds are disabled

https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/mozilla/thunderbird115

Is there an ETA as to when it will be published ?

Thanks

Just as an interesting note, it is available already in Leap 15 Well that's really odd..... Since when does Leap get newer versions of

On 8/18/23 07:27, Daniel Noga wrote: packages than what Tumbleweed and Factory have ??? well that's not odd at all! You found the package in Wolfgang's "mozilla" Project, and according to "osc se -s thunderbird115" it only exists there. Wolfgang usually builds the package once and then disables build to save build power inside OBS. If you add his repository for Tumbleweed, you'll see the new version is also available for Tumbleweed.

Just because build is disabled, it does not mean any already built packages get removed... ;)

That's not correct. The SUSE maintainer for SLE15 has indeed already updated Thunderbird to 115.1, but Wolfang did not do it for Factory. #zypper info MozillaThunderbird Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Information for package MozillaThunderbird: ------------------------------------------- Repository     : Update repository with updates from SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Name           : MozillaThunderbird Version        : 115.1.0-150200.8.127.1 Arch           : x86_64 Vendor         : SUSE LLC <https://www.suse.com/> Installed Size : 246.2 MiB Installed      : No Status         : not installed Source package : MozillaThunderbird-115.1.0-150200.8.127.1.src Upstream URL   : https://www.thunderbird.net/ Summary        : An integrated email, news feeds, chat, and newsgroups client Description    :    Thunderbird is a free, open-source, cross-platform application for    managing email, news feeds, chat, and news groups. It is a local    (rather than browser- or web-based) email application that is powerful    yet easy to use.

On 8/18/23 11:20, Manfred Hollstein wrote:

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That's not correct. The SUSE maintainer for SLE15 has indeed already updated Thunderbird to 115.1, but Wolfang did not do it for Factory. I stand corrected! Apologies to Joe! This is strange indeed as the

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 16:20:27 +0200, Ben Greiner wrote: package comes via the sle-update channel, not via backports. Hey, the SLE users should have at least one current program... ;)

No worries, but the original question is still unresolved....What needs to be done to get this pushed to TW ? Dominique ?

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# zypper info MozillaThunderbird Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...

Information for package MozillaThunderbird: ------------------------------------------- Repository     : Update repository with updates from SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Name           : MozillaThunderbird Version        : 115.1.0-150200.8.127.1 Arch           : x86_64 Vendor         : SUSE LLC <https://www.suse.com/> Installed Size : 246.2 MiB Installed      : No Status         : not installed Source package : MozillaThunderbird-115.1.0-150200.8.127.1.src Upstream URL   : https://www.thunderbird.net/ Summary        : An integrated email, news feeds, chat, and newsgroups client Description    :    Thunderbird is a free, open-source, cross-platform application for    managing email, news feeds, chat, and news groups. It is a local    (rather than browser- or web-based) email application that is powerful    yet easy to use. Cheers.

l8er manfred

-- Regards, Joe

On 8/18/23 17:22, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Friday 2023-08-18 23:57, Manfred Schwarb wrote:

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That's not correct. The SUSE maintainer for SLE15 has indeed already updated Thunderbird to 115.1 What needs to be done to get this pushed to TW ? Dominique ? You will regret your request. Thunderbirds UI gets worse with every release. Please, if you want a UI that changes very little, you should use Alpine.

This is what `zypper in alpine alpine-branding-openSUSE` gets you in 2024:

https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/b182cfd848c6

Last week I found an MS-DOS build from 1994:

https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/31b92c937a40

I had no trouble navigating :D

Does alpine do smartcard S/MIME encryption? Regards, Lew

On Saturday 2023-08-19 03:57, Robert Webb via openSUSE Factory wrote:

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 18:17:37 -0700, Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang@sweet-haven.com> wrote:

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On 8/18/23 17:22, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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This is what `zypper in alpine alpine-branding-openSUSE` gets you in 2024:     https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/b182cfd848c6

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Does alpine do smartcard S/MIME encryption?

Don't know.  Alpine does S/MIME and works with certificates. [1] But can it be configured to work with a smartcard driver? [2]

I don't see mentions of PCSC - but, as always, patches are welcome.

On 8/19/23 09:16, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

Hi,

as confirmed in another place at this thread one reason why TB115 is not in TW is because even upstream does not auto-update yet. The other is that using it myself I have the feeling it has a few edges. In any case I am/was a bit conservative with updating in TW but still providing packages for people who want to explicitely use it.

And why Leap has TB 115 is mainly because TB in Leap is maintained by SUSE and therefore from another person. I was a bit surprised when I heard TB was so quickly updated in Leap and I don't know if there were certain reasons to do so.

As of today Thunderbird 115.2.0 is already in preparation upstream and once this is released I plan to update in TW at the latest. I'm still hesitant to do it right now given that there is package available for the impatient.

Thanks Wolfgang for providing your reasoning for waiting and also explaining how Leap got updated before TW. I'll just wait on 115.2.0 based on your recommendation Regards, Joe

hi, Am 31.08.23 um 14:05 schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer:

I've submitted Thunderbird 115.2.0 today for inclusion in Tumbleweed.

... and I'm waiting for the first thread to complain about the changes ;-)

do we have to somehow "convert" or upgrade all the settings, when we first start the new version? or is this done automatically on the fly? and i assume, there is no way back, once i have upgraded the settings..... so, when i want to go back to a 102 release i have to somehow restore all the settings from a backup? -- Best Regards | Freundliche Grüße | Cordialement | Cordiali Saluti | Atenciosamente | Saludos Cordiales *DI Rainer Klier* DevOps, Research & Development namirialLogo _________________________________________________________ Namirial GmbH Phone: +43 7229 88 0 60 - 758 Haiderstraße 23 | 4052 Ansfelden | Austria Website: https://www.namirial.com/ <https://www.xyzmo.com/> The sender of this email disclaims any intent to be bound hereby, except where the sender clearly and explicitly provides otherwise. namirialAd

hi, Am 31.08.23 um 14:32 schrieb Richard Biener:

On the fly didn't work for me (on Leap, from an even older Thunderbird profile), I've successfully copied away the old profile and used import profile from the new TB to "convert".

"successfully" in the sense that it works, GPG stuff required quite some fiddling. And my - the new UI sucks, maybe I'll get used to it.

the look&feel and the UI is not my main concern. but what happens to all the changes/configs/settings i made in thunderbird, like the account settings, the imported and configured calenders, mail filter rules, add-ons,....? will i have to re-configer all of this? -- Best Regards | Freundliche Grüße | Cordialement | Cordiali Saluti | Atenciosamente | Saludos Cordiales *DI Rainer Klier* DevOps, Research & Development namirialLogo _________________________________________________________ Namirial GmbH Phone: +43 7229 88 0 60 - 758 Haiderstraße 23 | 4052 Ansfelden | Austria Website: https://www.namirial.com/ <https://www.xyzmo.com/> The sender of this email disclaims any intent to be bound hereby, except where the sender clearly and explicitly provides otherwise. namirialAd

Am 07.09.23 um 01:52 schrieb Joe Salmeri:

On 8/31/23 08:05, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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FWIW,

I've submitted Thunderbird 115.2.0 today for inclusion in Tumbleweed.

... and I'm waiting for the first thread to complain about the changes ;-)

Wolfgang

Was there a problem with the submission because 20230901, 20230902, and 20230904 have all been released and they all still have Thunderbird 102.

The build service also still only shows Thunderbird 102

https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE:Factory/MozillaThunderbird

Am I looking in the wrong place ???

No, the request was declined. Apparently I don't get those notifications via mail so I missed it. Fixed the changelog and hopefully that was the only reason. Wolfgang

On 8/18/23 10:14, Manfred Hollstein wrote:

Hey Joe, (always wanted to write this one... :)

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023, 15:57:13 +0200, Joe Salmeri wrote:

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Dne 17. 08. 23 v 21:18 Joe Salmeri napsal(a):

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Is there a reason that Thunderbird 115 is being held back ?

    Version 115.0.1 was released on 07/20/2023 which was almost a month ago

    Version 115.1.0 was released on 08/01/2023

    Version 115.1.1 was released on 08/15/2023

If I look at openSUSE build the builds are disabled

https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/mozilla/thunderbird115

Is there an ETA as to when it will be published ?

Thanks

Just as an interesting note, it is available already in Leap 15 Well that's really odd..... Since when does Leap get newer versions of

On 8/18/23 07:27, Daniel Noga wrote: packages than what Tumbleweed and Factory have ??? well that's not odd at all! You found the package in Wolfgang's "mozilla" Project, and according to "osc se -s thunderbird115" it only exists there. Wolfgang usually builds the package once and then disables build to save build power inside OBS. If you add his repository for Tumbleweed, you'll see the new version is also available for Tumbleweed.

Just because build is disabled, it does not mean any already built packages get removed... ;)

See Ben's reply which shows that Leap has Thunderbird 115 but yet it does not appear in Factory or Tumbleweed. Seems like someone make a mistake as that is certainly not the normal flow. Either someone goofed and pushed to Leap OR someone goofed and forgot to push to Factory and Tumbleweed BEFORE pushing to Leap.