Re: [opensuse-factory] tla package is way outdated
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Horst, hi list, Horst Günther Burkhardt III napsal(a):
tla-1.3.3 is long deprecated, there is NO reason it should continue to be packaged with current distributions. I propose that OpenSuSE packages tla-1.3.5, which has been stable for quite some time.
actually, i was considering dropping the tla package altogether: - - it is not exactly actively maintained by its author - - suffers badly from "not-invented-here" syndrome - - keeps private versions of certain libraries (notably expat and libneon), which is ... um, not nice, to say the least - - compatibility issues with 64bit systems and newer gcc Besides, arch is now kind of obsoleted by your favorite variant of git. We thought that nobody uses tla by now (except maybe in legacy setups, but such setups usually don't need newest versions anyway). I have experimentally set up a tla 1.3.5 package in the BuildService (can be seen in my home project, home:matejcik/tla). If somebody is interested in maintaining it, i will gladly hand it over. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGI52cjBrWA+AvBr8RAkKnAJ4kWjufij/hydABSNymvAgkEY0L3QCgleLV sNXkYQ5XtK3G2ahjZSsG+ko= =t9iR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Jan Matejek wrote:
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Hi Horst, hi list,
Horst Günther Burkhardt III napsal(a):
tla-1.3.3 is long deprecated, there is NO reason it should continue to be packaged with current distributions. I propose that OpenSuSE packages tla-1.3.5, which has been stable for quite some time.
actually, i was considering dropping the tla package altogether: - - it is not exactly actively maintained by its author - - suffers badly from "not-invented-here" syndrome - - keeps private versions of certain libraries (notably expat and libneon), which is ... um, not nice, to say the least - - compatibility issues with 64bit systems and newer gcc
Not good enough. I am involved with the SXEmacs project, and use software related to the project (most ironically xetla, an xemacs frontend to tla, then eMoney, xwem, xlib, etc.) Dropping tla is useless. It isn't updated TOO often, its size is MINIMAL, and it is used by several developers still.
Besides, arch is now kind of obsoleted by your favorite variant of git. We thought that nobody uses tla by now (except maybe in legacy setups, but such setups usually don't need newest versions anyway).
You thought wrongly.
I have experimentally set up a tla 1.3.5 package in the BuildService (can be seen in my home project, home:matejcik/tla). If somebody is interested in maintaining it, i will gladly hand it over.
I would gladly maintain it if I were given access to a box that had a
clean openSuSE-factory install on it at all times. If you know how to get
such a shell, I'll gladly take over packaging for tla (if you REALLY can't
find a valid reason to keep doing it yourself).
Also, how likely is it we could get a binary package of SXEmacs ? (I've
asked this here before, but yeah.. I think it's a nice idea and I don't
know how to use buildservice yet...)
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Horst Günther Burkhardt III napsal(a):
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Jan Matejek wrote:
Not good enough. I am involved with the SXEmacs project, and use software related to the project (most ironically xetla, an xemacs frontend to tla, then eMoney, xwem, xlib, etc.)
Dropping tla is useless. It isn't updated TOO often, its size is MINIMAL, and it is used by several developers still.
0,5MB is small, but it isn't _minimal_, we have hundreds of such "minimal" packages. But that's not the point. tla is good enough by itself. But in a rapidly evolving environment (which openSUSE surely is) it accumulates bitrot. To be honest, i didn't know of any major projects still using arch. I'll check things out and possibly reconsider.
Besides, arch is now kind of obsoleted by your favorite variant of git. We thought that nobody uses tla by now (except maybe in legacy setups, but such setups usually don't need newest versions anyway).
You thought wrongly.
did you consider suggesting that sxemacs switches to git? ;) (ok, kidding now, i am fully aware that it isn't as simple as that)
I have experimentally set up a tla 1.3.5 package in the BuildService (can be seen in my home project, home:matejcik/tla). If somebody is interested in maintaining it, i will gladly hand it over.
I would gladly maintain it if I were given access to a box that had a clean openSuSE-factory install on it at all times. If you know how to get such a shell, I'll gladly take over packaging for tla
openSUSE's "build" tool can make a clean factory install in chroot for you every time you need one.
(if you REALLY can't find a valid reason to keep doing it yourself).
I'll be maintaining tla in the buildservice until someone takes over, don't worry about that. I'm only saying that it most likely won't stay in the "official" distro.
Also, how likely is it we could get a binary package of SXEmacs ? (I've asked this here before, but yeah.. I think it's a nice idea and I don't know how to use buildservice yet...)
not my call. but do learn to use the buildservice, you'll like it ;) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGI7sIjBrWA+AvBr8RAjYyAKCWQmgdAMV9fo3Qa5ijizqvbXAHHQCfQIdw zE2+q/NxNBQ1xjfELk4G9ZA= =loDY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Jan Matejek wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, fancy encryption to you too. :p
Horst Günther Burkhardt III napsal(a):
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Jan Matejek wrote:
Not good enough. I am involved with the SXEmacs project, and use software related to the project (most ironically xetla, an xemacs frontend to tla, then eMoney, xwem, xlib, etc.)
Dropping tla is useless. It isn't updated TOO often, its size is MINIMAL, and it is used by several developers still.
0,5MB is small, but it isn't _minimal_, we have hundreds of such "minimal" packages. But that's not the point. tla is good enough by itself. But in a rapidly evolving environment (which openSUSE surely is) it accumulates bitrot.
0,5MiB is indeed minimal given that an average hard disk these days is around 160-250GiB... and that the FULL distribution is around 10GiB... The car was invented by Karl Benz in 1893. It's 2007, and it is still our staple means of transport. In an evolving environment, sometimes you need a point of stability. tla is that rock. :p
To be honest, i didn't know of any major projects still using arch. I'll check things out and possibly reconsider.
A project shouldn't have to be major to deserve recognition. But, if that's the way you're going about it... SXEmacs! :D (sorry, i'm hardpressed for more - BUT to be fair to Emacs users:) - XEtla - xwem/xwde - eMoney - erbot - Fresse! - KASH (a mathematical shell)
Besides, arch is now kind of obsoleted by your favorite variant of git. We thought that nobody uses tla by now (except maybe in legacy setups, but such setups usually don't need newest versions anyway).
You thought wrongly.
did you consider suggesting that sxemacs switches to git? ;) (ok, kidding now, i am fully aware that it isn't as simple as that)
If you say that once more, I'll use BoIP (bullet over IP) to hurt you. :p I always said there was a reason 'git' is named git (in britain, 'git' is a term of affection for someone lacking intelligence ("you right git, what the devil did you tell him that for?"))
I have experimentally set up a tla 1.3.5 package in the BuildService (can be seen in my home project, home:matejcik/tla). If somebody is interested in maintaining it, i will gladly hand it over.
I would gladly maintain it if I were given access to a box that had a clean openSuSE-factory install on it at all times. If you know how to get such a shell, I'll gladly take over packaging for tla
openSUSE's "build" tool can make a clean factory install in chroot for you every time you need one.
My box is slow as hell, but okay, if you can teach me how to use 'build'
(come on IRC to do so sometime, i'm MidnightCommando or PeanutHorst and i
inhabit irc.freenode.net #openSuSE-factory and ##Socialites ) I will do my
damndest.
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