[opensuse-factory] 12.3 RC1 status / network problem / startup animation
Dear all! I have updated two machines for testing with 12.3, and I must say, it's the nicest opensuse I've ever worked with. Congratulations! There are is one issue I'm having, as on my systems the default route has not been set up correctly via dhcp (see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=802761 ). A cosmetic thing is the startup/shutdown animation: In my opinion this 3d running circle does a) not fit to the rest of the new design, which is really good, b) is much two fast and c) doesn't run smoothly (here on my machines it frequently stops for parts of a second). I'd like to see something slower and simpler... Best regards, Johannes -- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Johannes, The artwork/branding in RC1 is a 'draft' - sadly we didn't manage to get the polishing done to make it in time..that's the bad news The good news is .. the artwork team has since completed all the artwork, and RC2 / Final will ship with a totally new Grub2 theme, and polished versions of every other bit of artwork, including KDM, YaST2, kdelibs, xfce, etc And the really good news is, the polished package includes a refined startup/shutdown animation (plymouth) which does not have any 3D running circle. We also removed the text as it was causing confusion for some. We've done our best to keep the animation smooth, but ultimately it is slaved to the performance of your boot process. I'd recommend using systemd-analyze (especially systedm-analyze blame and systemd-analyze plot) to figure out what it slowing down your boot process and optimise it. It will be smooth if your boot process is smooth, and it'll be fast if your boot process is fast - nothing we can do about that sadly Thanks for the feedback, I love being able to say we've already done it ;-) On 8 February 2013 11:14, Johannes Weberhofer <jweberhofer@weberhofer.at> wrote:
Dear all!
I have updated two machines for testing with 12.3, and I must say, it's the nicest opensuse I've ever worked with. Congratulations!
There are is one issue I'm having, as on my systems the default route has not been set up correctly via dhcp (see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=802761 ).
A cosmetic thing is the startup/shutdown animation: In my opinion this 3d running circle does a) not fit to the rest of the new design, which is really good, b) is much two fast and c) doesn't run smoothly (here on my machines it frequently stops for parts of a second). I'd like to see something slower and simpler...
Best regards, Johannes
-- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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Dear Richard, thank you for your response; after today's update, the start-up theme looks _much_ nicer! The only thing I've recognized is, that after fading out the theme (on shutdown) I see it for a part of a second in full light; the same is on start-up, where it shortly moves away for a part of a second and the again pop's up. However: It's a impressive work, that the artwork team has been provided. Thank you! Kind regards, Johannes Am 08.02.2013 15:54, schrieb Richard Brown:
Hi Johannes, The artwork/branding in RC1 is a 'draft' - sadly we didn't manage to get the polishing done to make it in time..that's the bad news
The good news is .. the artwork team has since completed all the artwork, and RC2 / Final will ship with a totally new Grub2 theme, and polished versions of every other bit of artwork, including KDM, YaST2, kdelibs, xfce, etc
And the really good news is, the polished package includes a refined startup/shutdown animation (plymouth) which does not have any 3D running circle. We also removed the text as it was causing confusion for some.
We've done our best to keep the animation smooth, but ultimately it is slaved to the performance of your boot process. I'd recommend using systemd-analyze (especially systedm-analyze blame and systemd-analyze plot) to figure out what it slowing down your boot process and optimise it. It will be smooth if your boot process is smooth, and it'll be fast if your boot process is fast - nothing we can do about that sadly
Thanks for the feedback, I love being able to say we've already done it ;-)
On 8 February 2013 11:14, Johannes Weberhofer <jweberhofer@weberhofer.at> wrote:
Dear all!
I have updated two machines for testing with 12.3, and I must say, it's the nicest opensuse I've ever worked with. Congratulations!
There are is one issue I'm having, as on my systems the default route has not been set up correctly via dhcp (see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=802761 ).
A cosmetic thing is the startup/shutdown animation: In my opinion this 3d running circle does a) not fit to the rest of the new design, which is really good, b) is much two fast and c) doesn't run smoothly (here on my machines it frequently stops for parts of a second). I'd like to see something slower and simpler...
Best regards, Johannes
-- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Thanks Johannes, Can you provide a video so I can see that in action? We have stuff in our plymouth script that should prevent that from happening - on boot we set the opacity of the fine to 'current progress * 1.2' for values of process less than 0.9 - so by the time plymouth reaches 90% you should already have the vine at 100% - for values above 0.9, the opacity is hard set to 100% For shutdown we do the same in reverse, with the opacity set to 0 when shutdown has reached 90% or higher.. If anyone else wants to have a look at this, the plymouth script can be found on github at https://github.com/openSUSE/branding/blob/12.3/boot/plymouth/theme/openSUSE.... , I'd appreciate a fresh pair of eyes. On 11 February 2013 08:37, Johannes Weberhofer <jweberhofer@weberhofer.at> wrote:
Dear Richard,
thank you for your response; after today's update, the start-up theme looks _much_ nicer! The only thing I've recognized is, that after fading out the theme (on shutdown) I see it for a part of a second in full light; the same is on start-up, where it shortly moves away for a part of a second and the again pop's up.
However: It's a impressive work, that the artwork team has been provided. Thank you!
Kind regards, Johannes
Am 08.02.2013 15:54, schrieb Richard Brown:
Hi Johannes, The artwork/branding in RC1 is a 'draft' - sadly we didn't manage to get the polishing done to make it in time..that's the bad news
The good news is .. the artwork team has since completed all the artwork, and RC2 / Final will ship with a totally new Grub2 theme, and polished versions of every other bit of artwork, including KDM, YaST2, kdelibs, xfce, etc
And the really good news is, the polished package includes a refined startup/shutdown animation (plymouth) which does not have any 3D running circle. We also removed the text as it was causing confusion for some.
We've done our best to keep the animation smooth, but ultimately it is slaved to the performance of your boot process. I'd recommend using systemd-analyze (especially systedm-analyze blame and systemd-analyze plot) to figure out what it slowing down your boot process and optimise it. It will be smooth if your boot process is smooth, and it'll be fast if your boot process is fast - nothing we can do about that sadly
Thanks for the feedback, I love being able to say we've already done it ;-)
On 8 February 2013 11:14, Johannes Weberhofer <jweberhofer@weberhofer.at> wrote:
Dear all!
I have updated two machines for testing with 12.3, and I must say, it's the nicest opensuse I've ever worked with. Congratulations!
There are is one issue I'm having, as on my systems the default route has not been set up correctly via dhcp (see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=802761 ).
A cosmetic thing is the startup/shutdown animation: In my opinion this 3d running circle does a) not fit to the rest of the new design, which is really good, b) is much two fast and c) doesn't run smoothly (here on my machines it frequently stops for parts of a second). I'd like to see something slower and simpler...
Best regards, Johannes
-- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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On Monday, February 11, 2013 10:58:13 AM Richard Brown wrote:
Thanks Johannes,
Can you provide a video so I can see that in action?
We have stuff in our plymouth script that should prevent that from happening - on boot we set the opacity of the fine to 'current progress * 1.2' for values of process less than 0.9 - so by the time plymouth reaches 90% you should already have the vine at 100% - for values above 0.9, the opacity is hard set to 100%
For shutdown we do the same in reverse, with the opacity set to 0 when shutdown has reached 90% or higher..
If anyone else wants to have a look at this, the plymouth script can be found on github at https://github.com/openSUSE/branding/blob/12.3/boot/plymouth/theme/openSUSE. script , I'd appreciate a fresh pair of eyes.
On 11 February 2013 08:37, Johannes Weberhofer
<jweberhofer@weberhofer.at> wrote:
Dear Richard,
thank you for your response; after today's update, the start-up theme looks _much_ nicer! The only thing I've recognized is, that after fading out the theme (on shutdown) I see it for a part of a second in full light; the same is on start-up, where it shortly moves away for a part of a second and the again pop's up.
However: It's a impressive work, that the artwork team has been provided. Thank you!
Kind regards, Johannes
Am 08.02.2013 15:54, schrieb Richard Brown:
Hi Johannes, The artwork/branding in RC1 is a 'draft' - sadly we didn't manage to get the polishing done to make it in time..that's the bad news
The good news is .. the artwork team has since completed all the artwork, and RC2 / Final will ship with a totally new Grub2 theme, and polished versions of every other bit of artwork, including KDM, YaST2, kdelibs, xfce, etc
And the really good news is, the polished package includes a refined startup/shutdown animation (plymouth) which does not have any 3D running circle. We also removed the text as it was causing confusion for some.
We've done our best to keep the animation smooth, but ultimately it is slaved to the performance of your boot process. I'd recommend using systemd-analyze (especially systedm-analyze blame and systemd-analyze plot) to figure out what it slowing down your boot process and optimise it. It will be smooth if your boot process is smooth, and it'll be fast if your boot process is fast - nothing we can do about that sadly
Thanks for the feedback, I love being able to say we've already done it ;-)
On 8 February 2013 11:14, Johannes Weberhofer <jweberhofer@weberhofer.at>
wrote:
Dear all!
I have updated two machines for testing with 12.3, and I must say, it's the nicest opensuse I've ever worked with. Congratulations!
There are is one issue I'm having, as on my systems the default route has not been set up correctly via dhcp (see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=802761 ).
A cosmetic thing is the startup/shutdown animation: In my opinion this 3d running circle does a) not fit to the rest of the new design, which is really good, b) is much two fast and c) doesn't run smoothly (here on my machines it frequently stops for parts of a second). I'd like to see something slower and simpler...
Best regards, Johannes
-- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Today I watched awesome changes on startup and shutdown. I think it is now wide compatible on different machines. I would just want to suggest a small change on Logout. Is it possible to move Geeko downward, just a little bit to keep it aligned with "Cancel" lower horizontal line ? On url below you can watch the Geeko back is upper the horizontal line for "Turn off Computer". http://paste.opensuse.org/89483603 Best regards, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama Ambassador and Member openSUSE Projects Testing: openSUSE 12.3 RC 1 KDE 4.10.00 r1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 11 of February 2013 14:03:10 Rick Chung wrote:
On Monday, February 11, 2013 10:58:13 AM Richard Brown wrote:
Thanks Johannes,
Can you provide a video so I can see that in action?
We have stuff in our plymouth script that should prevent that from happening - on boot we set the opacity of the fine to 'current progress * 1.2' for values of process less than 0.9 - so by the time plymouth reaches 90% you should already have the vine at 100% - for values above 0.9, the opacity is hard set to 100%
For shutdown we do the same in reverse, with the opacity set to 0 when shutdown has reached 90% or higher..
If anyone else wants to have a look at this, the plymouth script can be found on github at https://github.com/openSUSE/branding/blob/12.3/boot/plymouth/theme/openSUS E. script , I'd appreciate a fresh pair of eyes.
On 11 February 2013 08:37, Johannes Weberhofer
<jweberhofer@weberhofer.at> wrote:
Dear Richard,
thank you for your response; after today's update, the start-up theme looks _much_ nicer! The only thing I've recognized is, that after fading out the theme (on shutdown) I see it for a part of a second in full light; the same is on start-up, where it shortly moves away for a part of a second and the again pop's up.
However: It's a impressive work, that the artwork team has been provided. Thank you!
Kind regards, Johannes
Am 08.02.2013 15:54, schrieb Richard Brown:
Hi Johannes, The artwork/branding in RC1 is a 'draft' - sadly we didn't manage to get the polishing done to make it in time..that's the bad news
The good news is .. the artwork team has since completed all the artwork, and RC2 / Final will ship with a totally new Grub2 theme, and polished versions of every other bit of artwork, including KDM, YaST2, kdelibs, xfce, etc
And the really good news is, the polished package includes a refined startup/shutdown animation (plymouth) which does not have any 3D running circle. We also removed the text as it was causing confusion for some.
We've done our best to keep the animation smooth, but ultimately it is slaved to the performance of your boot process. I'd recommend using systemd-analyze (especially systedm-analyze blame and systemd-analyze plot) to figure out what it slowing down your boot process and optimise it. It will be smooth if your boot process is smooth, and it'll be fast if your boot process is fast - nothing we can do about that sadly
Thanks for the feedback, I love being able to say we've already done it ;-)
On 8 February 2013 11:14, Johannes Weberhofer <jweberhofer@weberhofer.at>
wrote:
Dear all!
I have updated two machines for testing with 12.3, and I must say, it's the nicest opensuse I've ever worked with. Congratulations!
There are is one issue I'm having, as on my systems the default route has not been set up correctly via dhcp (see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=802761 ).
A cosmetic thing is the startup/shutdown animation: In my opinion this 3d running circle does a) not fit to the rest of the new design, which is really good, b) is much two fast and c) doesn't run smoothly (here on my machines it frequently stops for parts of a second). I'd like to see something slower and simpler...
Best regards, Johannes
-- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Today I watched awesome changes on startup and shutdown. I think it is now wide compatible on different machines.
I would just want to suggest a small change on Logout. Is it possible to move Geeko downward, just a little bit to keep it aligned with "Cancel" lower horizontal line ? On url below you can watch the Geeko back is upper the horizontal line for "Turn off Computer".
http://paste.opensuse.org/89483603 Picture is actually aligned in the QML theme, so changing geeko position would require patching/possibly breaking other themes. One possible solution would be to remove "openSUSE" text, but still it would not look as you indicated, and also looks a bit strange.
Best regards, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:34:37 AM šumski wrote:
On Monday 11 of February 2013 14:03:10 Rick Chung wrote:
On Monday, February 11, 2013 10:58:13 AM Richard Brown wrote:
Thanks Johannes,
Today I watched awesome changes on startup and shutdown. I think it is now wide compatible on different machines.
I would just want to suggest a small change on Logout. Is it possible to move Geeko downward, just a little bit to keep it aligned with "Cancel" lower horizontal line ? On url below you can watch the Geeko back is upper the horizontal line for "Turn off Computer".
Picture is actually aligned in the QML theme, so changing geeko position would require patching/possibly breaking other themes. One possible solution would be to remove "openSUSE" text, but still it would not look as you indicated, and also looks a bit strange.
Thank you for taking the time to respond. My concern is the Geeko almost collide with text notifying about time remaining to "turning off". And there is an empty room below openSUSE text just below the Geeko, same level as "Cancel" frame. It could, hypothetical, move the Geeko downward to release the upper room colliding. And it would look centered and balanced. Anyway, if it is going to break anything else (themes,etc.) keeping that way is the right stuff. OTOH, I remember the Moon Icon there on older releases. What if it is switched to Geeko Head Icon. Could it make a difference? These are only suggestions if it could help to improve it. I don't know what limitations or restrictions QML could impose to do it. I don't know if there is time limitations either. It's only a perception issue. The whole artwork is great and it has plenty improvements how it looks and feels. Thanks for that. Best regards, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama Ambassador and Member openSUSE Projects Testing: openSUSE 12.3 RC 1 KDE 4.10.00 r1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 14 of February 2013 10:27:44 Rick Chung wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:34:37 AM šumski wrote:
On Monday 11 of February 2013 14:03:10 Rick Chung wrote:
On Monday, February 11, 2013 10:58:13 AM Richard Brown wrote:
Thanks Johannes,
Today I watched awesome changes on startup and shutdown. I think it is now wide compatible on different machines.
I would just want to suggest a small change on Logout. Is it possible to move Geeko downward, just a little bit to keep it aligned with "Cancel" lower horizontal line ? On url below you can watch the Geeko back is upper the horizontal line for "Turn off Computer".
Picture is actually aligned in the QML theme, so changing geeko position would require patching/possibly breaking other themes. One possible solution would be to remove "openSUSE" text, but still it would not look as you indicated, and also looks a bit strange.
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
My concern is the Geeko almost collide with text notifying about time remaining to "turning off". And there is an empty room below openSUSE text just below the Geeko, same level as "Cancel" frame. It could, hypothetical, move the Geeko downward to release the upper room colliding. And it would look centered and balanced.
Anyway, if it is going to break anything else (themes,etc.) keeping that way is the right stuff. OTOH, I remember the Moon Icon there on older releases. What if it is switched to Geeko Head Icon. Could it make a difference?
These are only suggestions if it could help to improve it. I don't know what limitations or restrictions QML could impose to do it. I don't know if there is time limitations either. It's only a perception issue.
The whole artwork is great and it has plenty improvements how it looks and feels. Thanks for that. Hi Rick, i tweaked the geeko a little, it still won't be aligned as shown on your sketch, but should leave more place for the text :-)
Best regards, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday, February 18, 2013 12:52:46 AM šumski wrote:
On Thursday 14 of February 2013 10:27:44 Rick Chung wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:34:37 AM šumski wrote:
On Monday 11 of February 2013 14:03:10 Rick Chung wrote:
On Monday, February 11, 2013 10:58:13 AM Richard Brown wrote:
Thanks Johannes,
Today I watched awesome changes on startup and shutdown. I think it is now wide compatible on different machines.
I would just want to suggest a small change on Logout. Is it possible to move Geeko downward, just a little bit to keep it aligned with "Cancel" lower horizontal line ? On url below you can watch the Geeko back is upper the horizontal line for "Turn off Computer".
Picture is actually aligned in the QML theme, so changing geeko position would require patching/possibly breaking other themes. One possible solution would be to remove "openSUSE" text, but still it would not look as you indicated, and also looks a bit strange.
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
My concern is the Geeko almost collide with text notifying about time remaining to "turning off". And there is an empty room below openSUSE text just below the Geeko, same level as "Cancel" frame. It could, hypothetical, move the Geeko downward to release the upper room colliding. And it would look centered and balanced.
Anyway, if it is going to break anything else (themes,etc.) keeping that way is the right stuff. OTOH, I remember the Moon Icon there on older releases. What if it is switched to Geeko Head Icon. Could it make a difference?
These are only suggestions if it could help to improve it. I don't know what limitations or restrictions QML could impose to do it. I don't know if there is time limitations either. It's only a perception issue.
The whole artwork is great and it has plenty improvements how it looks and feels. Thanks for that.
Hi Rick, i tweaked the geeko a little, it still won't be aligned as shown on your sketch, but should leave more place for the text :-)
Best regards,
Thanks, šumski, It looks much better now and nicer. The global perception is no disturbed anymore. Great job! Best regards, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama Ambassador openSUSE Projects -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 23.02.2013 17:41, schrieb Rick Chung:
On Monday, February 18, 2013 12:52:46 AM šumski wrote:
On Thursday 14 of February 2013 10:27:44 Rick Chung wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:34:37 AM šumski wrote:
On Monday 11 of February 2013 14:03:10 Rick Chung wrote:
On Monday, February 11, 2013 10:58:13 AM Richard Brown wrote:
Thanks Johannes,
Today I watched awesome changes on startup and shutdown. I think it is now wide compatible on different machines.
I would just want to suggest a small change on Logout. Is it possible to move Geeko downward, just a little bit to keep it aligned with "Cancel" lower horizontal line ? On url below you can watch the Geeko back is upper the horizontal line for "Turn off Computer".
Picture is actually aligned in the QML theme, so changing geeko position would require patching/possibly breaking other themes. One possible solution would be to remove "openSUSE" text, but still it would not look as you indicated, and also looks a bit strange.
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
My concern is the Geeko almost collide with text notifying about time remaining to "turning off". And there is an empty room below openSUSE text just below the Geeko, same level as "Cancel" frame. It could, hypothetical, move the Geeko downward to release the upper room colliding. And it would look centered and balanced.
Anyway, if it is going to break anything else (themes,etc.) keeping that way is the right stuff. OTOH, I remember the Moon Icon there on older releases. What if it is switched to Geeko Head Icon. Could it make a difference?
These are only suggestions if it could help to improve it. I don't know what limitations or restrictions QML could impose to do it. I don't know if there is time limitations either. It's only a perception issue.
The whole artwork is great and it has plenty improvements how it looks and feels. Thanks for that.
Hi Rick, i tweaked the geeko a little, it still won't be aligned as shown on your sketch, but should leave more place for the text :-)
Best regards,
Thanks, šumski, It looks much better now and nicer. The global perception is no disturbed anymore. Great job!
Best regards,
Dear all, since last week's updates the animation is looking fine on my two test machines! Thank you a lot! -- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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