[opensuse-factory] observations with 13.1RC1 (locate, mga)

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dieter

27 Oct 2013 27 Oct '13

17:24

Hi, I have updated a real HW (32bit) from 12.3 to 13.1 RC1 with zypper dup. The upgrade was smooth. Some observations though: findutils-locate was replaced by mlocate. users who want to use locate have to be added to the group "locate". Probably this should be mentioned in the release notes. The new database /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db is only created when cron.daily is run. The old database /var/lib/locatedb is not deleted during the upgrade. BTW: the installed release notes still contain a lot of "CHECKIT:12.3". This machine has a matrox video card which worked fine with the mga driver in the previous openSUSE releases even when the performance got worse and worse because of degrading support for this HW. With 13.1RC1 it seems there is no signal (or not acceptable for the display) although the xserver starts and runs. I had to switch to the fbdev driver to get graphics back. On this system I can not reproduce https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=834898 while I still see this with 13.1 RC1 64bit in a virtual machine. Regards, Dieter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Felix Miata

27 Oct 27 Oct

20:27

New subject: [opensuse-factory] observations with 13.1RC1 mga

On 2013-10-27 18:24 (GMT+0100) dieter composed:

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This machine has a matrox video card which worked fine with the mga driver in the previous openSUSE releases even when the performance got worse and worse because of degrading support for this HW. With 13.1RC1 it seems there is no signal (or not acceptable for the display) although the xserver starts and runs. I had to switch to the fbdev driver to get graphics back.

I have a G400 in one of my 13.1RC1+ systems. Works just fine @1792x1344 for such an old gfxchip with a 1.133GHz Piii CPU, but I configure xorg.conf to get it the way I like it. I have no recollection what may have happened trying to use automagic. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

dieter

20:54

New subject: [opensuse-factory] observations with 13.1RC1 mga

Am Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:27:31 -0400 schrieb Felix Miata :

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I have a G400 in one of my 13.1RC1+ systems. Works just fine @1792x1344 for such an old gfxchip with a 1.133GHz Piii CPU, but I configure xorg.conf to get it the way I like it. I have no recollection what may have happened trying to use automagic.

Mine is a G450 with DVI connector, used in single head mode. The autoconfiguration of X also selects the mga driver, like my xorg.conf from 12.3, the server starts and keeps running, no serious errors logged in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but no picture. When I just replace the mga driver in xorg.conf by the fbdev I get a working display. Regards, Dieter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Eberhard Moenkeberg

20:35

Hi, On Sun, 27 Oct 2013, dieter wrote:

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I have updated a real HW (32bit) from 12.3 to 13.1 RC1 with zypper dup. The upgrade was smooth.

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This machine has a matrox video card which worked fine with the mga driver in the previous openSUSE releases even when the performance got worse and worse because of degrading support for this HW. With 13.1RC1 it seems there is no signal (or not acceptable for the display) although the xserver starts and runs. I had to switch to the fbdev driver to get graphics back.

I have the same with 12.2 and a matrox g550 dual head. X is running, icewm-session has started its processes, but screen is dark with "out of range" - with and without xorg.conf. The monitor gets properly detected over DVI. Dark even with reduced hor and vert sync values. Viele Gruesse Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Moenkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft fuer wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Goettingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Goettingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Prof. Dr. Ramin Yahyapour Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Dipl.-Kfm. Markus Hoppe Sitz der Gesellschaft: Goettingen Registergericht: Goettingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Christian Boltz

22:17

Hello, Am Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013 schrieb dieter:

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findutils-locate was replaced by mlocate. users who want to use locate have to be added to the group "locate". Probably this should be mentioned in the release notes.

That's why there is a component "Release Notes" in bugzilla. Such a bugreport would look like https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847801 ;-)

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The new database /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db is only created when cron.daily is run. The old database /var/lib/locatedb is not deleted during the upgrade.

Feel free to open bugreports about it ;-)

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BTW: the installed release notes still contain a lot of "CHECKIT:12.3".

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847802 Regards, Christian Boltz --

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dieter

28 Oct 28 Oct

07:04

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Am Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013 schrieb dieter:

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findutils-locate was replaced by mlocate. users who want to use locate have to be added to the group "locate". Probably this should be mentioned in the release notes.

That's why there is a component "Release Notes" in bugzilla. Such a bugreport would look like https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847801 ;-)

Am Sun, 27 Oct 2013 23:17:37 +0100 schrieb Christian Boltz: thanks.

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The new database /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db is only created when cron.daily is run. The old database /var/lib/locatedb is not deleted during the upgrade.

Feel free to open bugreports about it ;-) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847826

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Bernhard Voelker

09:33

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On October 27, 2013 at 6:24 PM dieter wrote: findutils-locate was replaced by mlocate.

Why do you think so? findutils [1] is still shipped with locate(1) and the update(1) job for cron. [1] https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE:13.1:Update/findutils Have a nice day, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

dieter

16:33

Am Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:33:35 +0100 (CET) schrieb Bernhard Voelker:

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Why do you think so? Simple answer: before the upgrade in openSUSE 12.3 I had findutils-4.5.10-10.8.1.i586 findutils-locate-4.5.10-10.8.1.i586

I did the upgrade using zypper dup without modifying the list of packages which should be installed or upgraded. After the upgrade in 13.1 I have findutils-4.5.12-1.1.i586 mlocate-0.26-4.1.2.i586 Again - I did not choose to get mlocate, it happened automatically.

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findutils [1] is still shipped with locate(1) and the update(1) job for cron. well, my observation was that the upgrade replaced findutils-locate by mlocate and it had the described effects. The rpm findutils did not and does not contain locate and updatedb, it was split off some versions ago into the findutils-locate rpm package.

Whether the replacement of findutils-locate by mlocate was an error of the upgrade procedure or a decision of the community I can't tell or if one package has an advantage over the other. Regards, Dieter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Karl Eichwalder

16:52

dieter writes: Thanks for the detailed answer!

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Whether the replacement of findutils-locate by mlocate was an error of the upgrade procedure or a decision of the community I can't tell or if one package has an advantage over the other.

Who know the details, please? coolo? Also see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847801. -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Tomáš Chvátal

17:18

Dne Po 28. října 2013 17:52:28, Karl Eichwalder napsal(a):

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dieter writes:

Thanks for the detailed answer!

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Whether the replacement of findutils-locate by mlocate was an error of the upgrade procedure or a decision of the community I can't tell or if one package has an advantage over the other.

Who know the details, please? coolo?

Also see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847801.

Mlocate is my toy :) It is supposed to replace the findutils-locate due to being superior in all aspects, but I kept the old one around for now as I was not sure it is flawless in openSUSE so people can fallback. Anyway replied in the bug. Tom

Andreas Schwab

29 Oct 29 Oct

08:22

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: observations with 13.1RC1 (locate, mga)

Tomáš Chvátal writes:

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It is supposed to replace the findutils-locate

Then perhaps it should also replace it in the CONSOLE pattern. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Tomáš Chvátal

08:58

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: observations with 13.1RC1 (locate, mga)

Dne Út 29. října 2013 09:22:59, Andreas Schwab napsal(a):

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Tomáš Chvátal writes:

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It is supposed to replace the findutils-locate

Then perhaps it should also replace it in the CONSOLE pattern.

Andreas.

It was replaced in all patterns. Tom

Andreas Schwab

09:13

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: observations with 13.1RC1 (locate, mga)

Tomáš Chvátal writes:

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It was replaced in all patterns.

??? $ grep -r locate patterns-openSUSE-data patterns-openSUSE-data/data/CONSOLE:findutils-locate Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Tomáš Chvátal

09:27

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: observations with 13.1RC1 (locate, mga)

Dne Út 29. října 2013 10:13:32, Andreas Schwab napsal(a):

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Tomáš Chvátal writes:

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It was replaced in all patterns.

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$ grep -r locate patterns-openSUSE-data patterns-openSUSE-data/data/CONSOLE:findutils-locate

Andreas.

*censored* I had it prepared for a long time but then forgot about it. Created new pull request [1] so it is on rc2. Cheers Tom [1] https://github.com/openSUSE/patterns/pull/57

Ludwig Nussel

10:17

dieter wrote:

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I have updated a real HW (32bit) from 12.3 to 13.1 RC1 with zypper dup. The upgrade was smooth.

Some observations though: findutils-locate was replaced by mlocate. users who want to use locate have to be added to the group "locate". Probably this should be mentioned in the release notes.

There are only two sane ways to operate mlocate: a) run setgid and index as root or b) run unprivileged and index as nobody as findutils-locate does it. The latter obviously is the more defensive way. Tomas, we've discussed this unprivileged cron job in the past. Why is it still not implemented? In the current state mlocate is not a candidate for a default installed package IMO so it shouldn't be in any pattern and also not obsolete findutils-locate to avoid breaking updates. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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