[opensuse-factory] packagekit still in 12.1?
All, I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1? I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait. With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> [11-15-11 11:50]:
I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?
I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.
With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.
11:54 Crash121: ~ # rpm -q --whatrequires PackageKit PackageKit-branding-openSUSE-12.1-4.1.1.noarch apper-0.7.0-17.1.x86_64 -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 15 November 2011, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> [11-15-11 11:50]:
I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?
I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.
With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.
I have all PackageKit stuff blacklisted since it exists. Does this make problems on 12.1 now? cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 15. november 2011 19:24:05 skrev Ruediger Meier:
On Tuesday 15 November 2011, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> [11-15-11 11:50]:
I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?
I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.
With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.
I have all PackageKit stuff blacklisted since it exists. Does this make problems on 12.1 now?
Nope. Just means you won't be notified about patches. But that's no different from 11.4 or previous releases with packagekit based updater applets. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 07:30:25 PM Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 15. november 2011 19:24:05 skrev Ruediger Meier:
On Tuesday 15 November 2011, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> [11-15-11 11:50]:
I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?
I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.
With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.
I have all PackageKit stuff blacklisted since it exists. Does this make problems on 12.1 now?
Nope. Just means you won't be notified about patches. But that's no different from 11.4 or previous releases with packagekit based updater applets. Is there another sort of update notifier? I was all happy when Apper was announced until I realized it was KPackageKit renamed. -- Law of Communications: The inevitable result of improved and enlarged communications between different levels in a hierarchy is a vastly increased area of misunderstanding.
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* Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> [2011-11-15 20:14]:
On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 07:30:25 PM Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 15. november 2011 19:24:05 skrev Ruediger Meier:
On Tuesday 15 November 2011, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> [11-15-11 11:50]:
I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?
I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.
With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.
I have all PackageKit stuff blacklisted since it exists. Does this make problems on 12.1 now?
Nope. Just means you won't be notified about patches. But that's no different from 11.4 or previous releases with packagekit based updater applets. Is there another sort of update notifier? I was all happy when Apper was announced until I realized it was KPackageKit renamed.
I am working on an update notifier which will directly interface with zypper and just call YaST Online Update to install updates. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Guido Berhoerster <gber@opensuse.org> wrote:
I am working on an update notifier which will directly interface with zypper and just call YaST Online Update to install updates.
Yay!!!! (really, package kit simply doesn't work) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le mardi 15 novembre 2011, à 18:44 -0300, Claudio Freire a écrit :
(really, package kit simply doesn't work)
Do you have links to the bugs that make it not work for you? Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
Do you have links to the bugs that make it not work for you?
Thanks,
In 11.4, I can confirm: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679650 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=692550 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679162 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681524 And, in 12.1, I read on this list at least two of those still happen to packagekit/Apper. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le mardi 15 novembre 2011, à 19:17 -0300, Claudio Freire a écrit :
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
Do you have links to the bugs that make it not work for you?
Thanks,
In 11.4, I can confirm:
Thanks for the list!
Duncan fixed this; it'll be available in an online update.
It feels like the same bug as the above one.
That one seems annoying. Maybe Duncan might have a hint about this?
Last comment seems to indicate things have improved there. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:12 AM, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
Duncan fixed this; it'll be available in an online update.
It feels like the same bug as the above one.
No, they're distinct bugs. Well, maybe the reason in code is the same for both, but from a user's perspective, they're pretty distinct. The fact that it takes too long to update, combined with it updating too often (I think Apper fixed this particular issue), make Yast always find the repo locked. The second bug (from what I read) refers to the issue of packagekit not honoring the signal to close, when asked to by yast.
Last comment seems to indicate things have improved there.
Only slightly, it still does not show download progress. For me, download is 95% of the time. So the bug is fixed 5%. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 16 novembre 2011, à 11:36 -0300, Claudio Freire a écrit :
The second bug (from what I read) refers to the issue of packagekit not honoring the signal to close, when asked to by yast.
It's honoring it, but it can't honor it when it's busy. That's why speeding up the zypp backend is the right thing to do. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
The second bug (from what I read) refers to the issue of packagekit not honoring the signal to close, when asked to by yast.
It's honoring it, but it can't honor it when it's busy. That's why speeding up the zypp backend is the right thing to do.
That's not a fix, it happened to me rather often that the zypp backend blocks for a very long time because of firewall issues. In order to go around those issues, I have to change the repos, but I can't do that with the zypp backend locking the repo. Chicken and egg. The only solution I had was killing packagekit, (kill -9) freeing the lock on the repo. No corruption happened since it was only waiting on a dead connection. The backend should be able to abort a network operation when asked to abort. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Nov 16, 11 16:19:41 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mercredi 16 novembre 2011, à 11:36 -0300, Claudio Freire a écrit :
The second bug (from what I read) refers to the issue of packagekit not honoring the signal to close, when asked to by yast.
It's honoring it, but it can't honor it when it's busy. That's why speeding up the zypp backend is the right thing to do.
How dangerous is kill -9 here? That is how I 'helped' yast in these cases. Never had any issues with that approach. cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, J.Guild, F.Imendoerffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg), Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Juergen Weigert <jw@suse.de> wrote:
It's honoring it, but it can't honor it when it's busy. That's why speeding up the zypp backend is the right thing to do.
How dangerous is kill -9 here? That is how I 'helped' yast in these cases. Never had any issues with that approach.
I neither had any issue after kill -9, but theoretically, there could be database corruption if you catch zypper updating its package database. Should be no issue if done while downloading, though, methinks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 15. November 2011, 23:02:01 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Le mardi 15 novembre 2011, à 18:44 -0300, Claudio Freire a écrit :
(really, package kit simply doesn't work)
Do you have links to the bugs that make it not work for you?
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681592 Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 16 novembre 2011, à 09:56 +0100, Sven Burmeister a écrit :
Am Dienstag, 15. November 2011, 23:02:01 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Le mardi 15 novembre 2011, à 18:44 -0300, Claudio Freire a écrit :
(really, package kit simply doesn't work)
Do you have links to the bugs that make it not work for you?
This is a KPackageKit issue, not PackageKit -- and hopefully, apper doesn't show the issue. I'm more interested in what we need to fix in PackageKit itself at the moment. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 15 November 2011, Guido Berhoerster wrote:
I am working on an update notifier which will directly interface with zypper and just call YaST Online Update to install updates.
We can get updates pushed when they appear instead of daily pulling? cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 15. november 2011 22:08:43 skrev Guido Berhoerster:
I am working on an update notifier which will directly interface with zypper and just call YaST Online Update to install updates.
W00t. That sounds awesome. Like SUSEwatcher back in 10.0 and older... i.e. the last time SUSE had a simple, reliable, functional updater applet. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Dienstag, 15. November 2011 schrieb Roger Luedecke:
Is there another sort of update notifier? I was all happy when Apper was announced until I realized it was KPackageKit renamed.
I can recommend patch2mail. It runs as daily cronjob and sends a mail to root if new updates are available. (Obviously you have to read those mails then ;-) Probably not the best option for desktop systems (there's nothing "clickable"), but very useful for servers. Regards, Christian Boltz --
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On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:43:48 AM Christian Boltz wrote:
I can recommend patch2mail. It runs as daily cronjob and sends a mail to root if new updates are available. (Obviously you have to read those mails then
Probably not the best option for desktop systems (there's nothing "clickable"), but very useful for servers. Sounds good. Just how do I get to the e-mails? I assume this is the same sort of thing that AppArmor does? -- I don't care for the Sugar Smacks commercial. I don't like the idea of a frog jumping on my Breakfast. -- Lowell, Chicago Reader 10/15/82
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Hello, Am Dienstag, 15. November 2011 schrieb Roger Luedecke:
On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:43:48 AM Christian Boltz wrote:
I can recommend patch2mail. It runs as daily cronjob and sends a mail to root if new updates are available. (Obviously you have to read those mails then
Probably not the best option for desktop systems (there's nothing "clickable"), but very useful for servers.
Sounds good. Just how do I get to the e-mails?
They are sent to root, and redirected to your user if you checked the "receive system mail" checkbox while creating the user. If unsure: grep root: /etc/aliases Point your mail client to read /var/spool/mail/$USERNAME - that's where the mails are delivered to. (Assuming you didn't edit /etc/aliases.) You can also change the mail recipient in /etc/sysconfig/patch2mail, but changing the root alias in /etc/aliases is usually the better choice. Don't forget to run newaliases after editing /etc/aliases ;-)
I assume this is the same sort of thing that AppArmor does?
No, appArmor currently can't send any mails. (Except if you use something like aa-status -v -s 1 | mail -s aa-status root of course ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- [20:01] * mrdocs grabs a snack first [20:01] <suseROCKs> hmm last time mrdocs said he was going to grab a snack, we didn't see him again for a week [from #opensuse-project] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 15 November 2011 11:13:24 Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 07:30:25 PM Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 15. november 2011 19:24:05 skrev Ruediger Meier:
On Tuesday 15 November 2011, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> [11-15-11 11:50]:
I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?
I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.
With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.
I have all PackageKit stuff blacklisted since it exists. Does this make problems on 12.1 now?
Nope. Just means you won't be notified about patches. But that's no different from 11.4 or previous releases with packagekit based updater applets.
Is there another sort of update notifier? I was all happy when Apper was announced until I realized it was KPackageKit renamed.
Please report issues with Apper instead of putting up your SEP fields. I'm working a lot with its author at the moment to get things cleared up. You would not believe how many of the problems are actually not in KPackageKit or Apper or core PackageKit, but are in the openSUSE-specific packagekit-zypp backend itself and therefore common to all frontends, even when using the upstream-developed gnome PackageKit UIs. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
O very good. I have used KPackageKit on some other distros, and when it works right its alright. The new interface in Apper is especially appealing. I figured it had to with our implementation since it worked fine in Kubuntu and Fedora14. Still maddening, and the persistence of the problems is surprising. On Wed, 2011-11-16 at 11:17 +0100, Will Stephenson wrote:
On Tuesday 15 November 2011 11:13:24 Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 07:30:25 PM Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 15. november 2011 19:24:05 skrev Ruediger Meier:
On Tuesday 15 November 2011, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> [11-15-11 11:50]:
I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?
I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.
With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.
I have all PackageKit stuff blacklisted since it exists. Does this make problems on 12.1 now?
Nope. Just means you won't be notified about patches. But that's no different from 11.4 or previous releases with packagekit based updater applets.
Is there another sort of update notifier? I was all happy when Apper was announced until I realized it was KPackageKit renamed.
Please report issues with Apper instead of putting up your SEP fields.
I'm working a lot with its author at the moment to get things cleared up. You would not believe how many of the problems are actually not in KPackageKit or Apper or core PackageKit, but are in the openSUSE-specific packagekit-zypp backend itself and therefore common to all frontends, even when using the upstream-developed gnome PackageKit UIs.
Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany
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On Thursday, November 17, 2011 04:32:45 Roger Luedecke wrote:
O very good. I have used KPackageKit on some other distros, and when it works right its alright. The new interface in Apper is especially appealing. I figured it had to with our implementation since it worked fine in Kubuntu and Fedora14. Still maddening, and the persistence of the problems is surprising.
Yup. And on a personal note, I think working with a cross-distro solution is better than having our own solutions in any case. We share work (on the UI front in this case) and it can provide integration in applications which we don't have to develop and maintain. I'd rather see YaST and esp the One-Click-Install stuff move to PackageKit instead of us writing new tools replacing what PackageKit offers.
Le 19/11/2011 03:54, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
I'd rather see YaST and esp the One-Click-Install stuff move to PackageKit instead of us writing new tools replacing what PackageKit offers.
sure if this is also cross UI (including ncurse) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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I'd rather see YaST and esp the One-Click-Install stuff move to PackageKit instead of us writing new tools replacing what PackageKit offers.
I hope that never comes to be true! :-| YaST and zypper are very good tools differentiating SUSE. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk7JlDQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XopgCdGGjh6m42eOA0N6ZmEo8xra3I HKYAn33Ly4hWu7PkUyXg9h1FUvs9Ikrp =UhDz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le mardi 15 novembre 2011 à 11:47 -0500, Greg Freemyer a écrit :
All,
I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?
You thought wrong.. -- Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com> SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/15/2011 05:47 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
All,
I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?
I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.
With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.
Greg
Actually on factory 12.2 the only non removable packagekit related is libpackagekit-glib2-14 needed by gnome-settings-daemon All the other can be removed Yeah I just use zypper to inform me about updates/upgrades -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/20/2011 08:27 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On 11/15/2011 05:47 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
All,
I thought packagekit was removed from 12.1?
I have run zypper dup twice in the last 2 days. Both times it claimed packagekit had locks in place and I needed to wait.
With 11.4 I certainly had similar things happen on rare occasion, but 2 out of 2 seems excessive.
Greg
Actually on factory 12.2 the only non removable packagekit related is libpackagekit-glib2-14
needed by gnome-settings-daemon
All the other can be removed
Yeah I just use zypper to inform me about updates/upgrades
PackageKit is just a dbus service that talks to ZYpp Blame your YaST team, because we haven't had time to rewrite the glue between PackageKit and ZYpp and the current code is a mess or because we haven't finished making ZYpp lock-free for some operations. But don't blame PackageKit. -- Duncan Mac-Vicar P. - http://www.suse.com/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 29. november 2011 10:23:05 skrev Duncan Mac-Vicar P.:
PackageKit is just a dbus service that talks to ZYpp
Blame your YaST team, because we haven't had time to rewrite the glue between PackageKit and ZYpp and the current code is a mess or because we haven't finished making ZYpp lock-free for some operations.
But don't blame PackageKit.
But PackageKit builds on an assumption that the backends are working >:-) If we had a proper zypp based updater there wouldn't be 3-4 different parties involved - where each one has the potential to severely hurt the distribution. ... and has done so consistently for as long as we have had packagekit based updaters. Despite all the effort that tgoettlicher, Will, yourself and others have put into this experiment trying to make it almost work for every release. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 4:41 PM, "Martin Schlander" <martin.schlander@gmail.com> wrote:
Tirsdag den 29. november 2011 10:23:05 skrev Duncan Mac-Vicar P.:
PackageKit is just a dbus service that talks to ZYpp
Blame your YaST team, because we haven't had time to rewrite the glue between PackageKit and ZYpp and the current code is a mess or because we haven't finished making ZYpp lock-free for some operations.
But don't blame PackageKit.
But PackageKit builds on an assumption that the backends are working >:-)
If we had a proper zypp based updater there wouldn't be 3-4 different parties involved - where each one has the potential to severely hurt the distribution.
... and has done so consistently for as long as we have had packagekit based updaters. Despite all the effort that tgoettlicher, Will, yourself and others have put into this experiment trying to make it almost work for every release.
Packagekit is based on zypp though, that's the whole point - it uses each distribution's native packaging system. It provides a common interface so people building things like update programs don't have to re-invent their own interface to zypp, yum, apt or whatever. Maybe a start-from-scratch build of an updater would be better, or maybe it would just get into the same issues with zypp locking and all the other complexities of interfacing with zypp. Who can say when no other decent update program seems to be available?* *The online updater in YAST is no good as every user has to remember to start YAST and run it manually every day. Tim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Duncan Mac-Vicar P. <dmacvicar@suse.de> wrote:
Blame your YaST team, because we haven't had time to rewrite the glue between PackageKit and ZYpp and the current code is a mess or because we haven't finished making ZYpp lock-free for some operations.
I agree. So, which operations would need to be lockless? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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