I think the discussion is very interesting, but it's much more quick enabling yast patterns at the installer than reading near 80 emails :-D Now serously, I think it's not a bad decision to provide a "minimal server" without yast as it's easy to add later. I work as sysadmin, and it's easier for me begining with a very minimal installation than getting a great lot of packages and removing the ones I don't need. The first method is more clean. Of course in my *SUSE servers I use yast, but I also understand the situations it's not needed. Some people mentioned them: automated instance deployments and orchestration, containers. Five years ago we wouldn't be talking about it, but it's a reality today. -- Francisco Javier Tsao Santín http://gattaca.es 1024D/71CF4D62 42 F1 53 35 EF 98 98 8A FC 6C 56 B3 4C A7 7D FB