On 25 May 2016 at 13:58, Carlos E. R. email@example.com wrote:
On 2016-05-25 07:23, Michal Kubecek wrote:
On středa 25. května 2016 3:23 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Most of us want the most recent versions available at the time of release of that stable, without the hassle of having to run a distribution that is continuously updating itself with software that is not fully tested (by humans).
And that is exactly the point: "we, users" want a distribution with latest available versions of all software but without the hassle of having to run software that is not fully tested.
Was your mail meant as a joke or did you really manage to miss the conflict between those two requirements?
Neither. There is a conflict which needs an equilibrium. Notice that the goal was, IMO, fairly well achieved by the SuSE/SUSE/openSUSE distribution for years, till Leap.
Apart from with the very real numbers provided by Michal (thanks!)
openSUSE-13.1 (3.11) 665 259 924 openSUSE-13.2 (3.16) 856 187 1043 openSUSE-42.1 (4.1 - LTS) 2473 70 2543 evergreen-11.4 (3.0 / SLE11-SP2) 3778 942 4720 evergreen-13.1 (3.12 / SLE12-SP1) 6208 932 7140 openSUSE-42.2 (4.4 / SLE12-SP2) 1451 257 1708
This quite clearly shows that the openSUSE community suffered with openSUSE 13.1 and 13.2 which compared to 42.2 *already* has more upstream work done to it AND more fixes by our own team.
The 'equilibrium' you claim is a false perception that does no measure well with the reality of what really happened in evergreen, openSUSE 13.x, and is happening in Leap.
Carlos, you've been around this list long enough, you have probably seen me and Michal argue enough times to think that it would be a cold day in hell before me and him ever agreed about anything
Well find a warm jacket, because I agree with Michal.