Perhaps this is all going to be fixed in 10.2 since 10.1 was obviously very bad, but just to make sure, I would like to clarify and state some of my opinions on what needs to go or become better integrated. First of all having what seems to be so many different ways to manage packages is becomming ridiculous and I'm hoping something's going to be done to standardize on one. Syncronizing all of them has to be crazy. Zen is just horrible right now imo. Its so unconfigurable and the interface to install packages just seems way to simplistic. One can hardly find out information on the package..it just basically seems to be searching through a list. Not only that but most packages are shown twice or more depending on repositories and updates! I do not know why it can't be done like synaptic and keep one package and then being able to update (I think yast does it this way too). I had no idea what exactly to click and how it would work out! It needs to be trimmed down to only showing the package ONCE which would be the latest and if not allow one to upgrade. I just really am not liking zen right now at all. I do not know why they couldn't have just continued to improve the speed of yast and keep suseplugger also. Second is the ridiculous amount of packages that are installed on first installation. Perhaps trim down default GNOME and KDE desktop choices like Ubuntu does (basically good packages from each, can install more later). The system after first boot shouldnt be more then 2GB imo. I know I can configure packages in Yast manually and I guess I'll probably just have to go through that annoying task for now on. and Finally, and this is my big peeve. FIX THE FREAKIN MENUS! The organization takes WAY too much time and maybe it won't matter if slab is integrated but we do not need categories and then ANOTHER category and then 5 different web browsers! Why the heck was konqueror installed when I selected GNOME as my DE in the installation and no where did I install KDE! Seamonkey was also installed WTH! Basically we do not need second level categories and 5 different web browser and terminal apps (ESPECIALLY WHEN I SELECTED GNOME AS THE DE), sorry that is my major pet peeve right now. Its ridiculous that when one selects the defaults that they are given 5-10 of everything. Please PLEASE PLEASE Clean it up! Please don't mistake my tone. I'm considering a move back to suse because I like the polish and yast and such, but 10.1 (and some parts were from 10 and back) is making me and my computer feel very bloated and like I have to maintain a "beast". I know 10.1 was a bad apple, but hopefully this stuff is vastly cleared up. -- Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org