Tomas Cech wrote:
That could quantify opinions of community and it wouldn't depend on how strong voice Christian or Linda have (in number of e-mails or emotional outbursts :).
---- Number of emails, yes**, but I don't think I've had any recent emotional outbursts. Christian seems to be almost avoiding them by filtering out my messages. which is his choice, but it again lends it self to the perception that no matter what concerns are voiced about systemd, they won't be heard or acted on. ** but in my defense, I go through long periods on not posting much, as well, but when the topic comes up, I try to
2] set the rule, that package should be able to compile and work both with and without systemd.
---- I'd love to see that -- AND I'd love to see systemd go foward, as long as there is a choice -- a fallback position should should something come up that would prevent or someone from using systemd. From what I've seen so far, it doesn't seem like has auditing support and that makes me wonder how far it is going to go forward in security sensitive areas. If it cannot not be proven secure and validated as being secure, then there are no assurances to what is being promised. This should be a consideration for the intended use of this on a "secure boot" system. Of course if OS audit functionality was enhanced to include systemd, then its authors might have realized that some of their requirements (like needing to run as process 1 were not justifiable with what auditing already provides.
PS: no pathos meant None taken, and ditto here.
Besides, at this point, contrary to what some thing about rehashing these things not being productive. I have seen progress and ideas come out of this discussion. At the very least, I think it is important to point out that for those who would like to not hear or see any more complaints of those who miss features or have problems with systemd - those people are just as empowered to fix those rough edges and provide solutions to those complains as those making complains are to provide alternatives to systemd. I.e. it's a two way street. If they are not willing to put in as much effort fixing systemd rough edges then they have no right to whine about those who bring up new problems, or what is likely to be more people bringing up old problems (just that the are "only now" hitting them). Not everyone lives out of factory or on the bleeding edge... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org