On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 17:57 +0000, Joe User wrote:
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de> wrote:
Question is, do you want users, or not?
It sounds like openSUSE doesn't fit your neads, perhaps you might want to try out Debian?
Does your employer share your disdain for users?
Rather than switching, I would prefer to see you and your cohorts fired from your paying jobs. As independent members of the community, your arrogance would be more credible.
It seems like you're the one with the actual disdain and arrogance here against the community. Joe, you seem to have a very strange interpretation of how the openSUSE Project works. Things move forward based on consensus and initiative. The community, which just so happens to have people employed by certain employers, are not directed by our primary sponsor. It is a project that thrives on mutual collaboration and a desire to maintain a quality community-based distro. That's not to say that we,, as a community, make perfect decisions every time, but we certainly relish positive and open dialogue with meaningful input about why we should go in one direction or another. You're making claims such as implying that we don't want users. Last time I checked, we were all users and we are all in this together. It was the community that argued for and pushed for systemd and it is the community that is rolling up its sleeves to make it work for openSUSE. If you have legitimate issues about why systemd should not be here, or if you find that it is too buggy, please provide some reasonings and file bug reports. SysgtemD (or any new technology implementation) will never work if we just split up into two camps of "I wanna"s and "I don't wannas". And let me make one more point here. Making insinuations against someone simply because of their employment is grossly out of bounds. We, in this Project, take pride in seeing every contributor here as individuals, not as employee vs. non-employee. No employee makes an overriding decision against the community and that's the way its been and will continue to be. Now, as for Greg making recommendations to consider other distros. I think that was a wise and very positive thing he did. Many of us admittedly are so loyal to openSUSE that we wouldn't dare to think of pointing to other distros. But he gave you a very nice and fair and impartial recommendation to consider a distro that fits your needs. And that was the right thing to do. If any one of us thinks there's a one-distro-fits-all out there... you're living with a pie in the sky. It is virtually impossible to ever achieve that, no matter how much we would love that for openSUSE. Sincerely Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Board Member -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org