On 02.02.2016 15:27, Martin Pluskal wrote:
On úterý 2. února 2016 15:21:07 CET Sergey Kondakov wrote:
On 02.02.2016 14:56, Martin Pluskal wrote:
On úterý 2. února 2016 10:45:51 CET Michal Kubecek wrote: Is this your opinion or are you aware of others feeling same? Also note that usage of spec-cleaner is not mandatory but just adviced, and not in all cases, as it would mess up some more complex packages.
Cheers
Martin
Well, I too complained about that here quite vehemently. So, now you are aware of others feeling same.
You complained about rules for factory submission being to difficult? You complained about something done by rep-clean? Where and when?
It wouldn't be a problem if usage of repoes wouldn't be artificially complicated.
That is kinda different topic
As far as shaming people for not using their own build cluster for publicising their dirty, un-submitted packages.
That is different topic as well, also I don't recall any shaming, if I recall correctly, you were only advised to use your own factory instance if you have such strong objections against current setup - where is shaming in that?
Cheers
Martin
Oh, first you "fail to see" the connection and now the argument is not to your liking Not that its not to my liking but I remember that your major complain was about dicrepancies between Factory and Tumbleweed repositories in OBS prior Tumbleweed snapshot is published. (I quite clearly stated in the past that I don't submit my packages yet because of how time their "proper" "cleaning" will consume) ? Sorry did not remember that. I'm not going to prance around you anymore. The fact is: he's far from being alone and you are not an authority on how people should evaluate needless obstacles in their work of common good that they are doing for free (which accidentally is also popularizing openSUSE). That I am definitely not, nor do I pretend to be. Needless obstacles is however something that everybody can imagine something different (and I guess
On úterý 2. února 2016 15:54:30 CET Sergey Kondakov wrote: that my and your opinion on this topic would be different).
Moreover, quantity of discontented is irrelevant to legitimacy of the issue in the first place. Well claiming causality when not even corelation is established is bogus. Providing empirical proof for claim that "number of packages in Factory is low due to review process being too difficult" is quiet challenging. Furthermore as already stated in this discussion, review and rules for Debian are much more strict that ones for openSUSE, yet it seems that there are more packages in Debian, which would suggest that difficulty of review is not that big obstacle for most.
It's great that someone is willing to address issues of "spec cleaning" point by point. Personally, I don't have moral strength in me for that, long discussion and won't any time soon. Meh
Martin Pluskal