Op 06-08-2021 om 07:09 schreef Stefan Seyfried:
On 06.08.21 02:27, Robert Kaiser wrote:
Axel Braun schrieb:
Printer setup....is a steady source of joy, and I have to admit, I struggle with the setup in YaST as well. How can we improve the workflow? It was mentioned (not in this show) that Fedora is way better in that sense
- Neal,
can you comment?
In times of driverless printing, it actually should not be a hassle to do any printer setup any more. LWN has a good read on this at https://lwn.net/Articles/857502/ - and yes, that talks about Fedora.
Unfortunately, I was unable to set up driverless printing on Leap 15.2 with YaST2, I had to resort to enabling the CUPS webfrontend. From there it was a piece of cake. It is entirely possible that it is possible to set it up with YaST2, but driverless being the best choice for many / most newly available printers (hey, I would have almost installed binary crap drivers from brother's website, hadn't I discovered driverless printing ;-), there should be a much more prominent option in YaST2 to enable it, or even just have it always enabled by default. Then tell people to just look for "AirPrint" labeled printers.
So IMO there is room for improvement in openSUSE.
I just switched my hp lasterjet network printer to ipp and driverless, which gives me now already a better experience than when configured through YaST and hplilp (I can now see the level of the toners in kde printer settings).
i think the tools are there in openSUSE, but the configuring part is very confusing. Should YaST be used, or the web interface, of KDE/GNOME/etc desktop tools? For me installing system-config-printer on my Plasma system gave a better experience. I discovered this because I wanted to see if I could add a printer via systemsettings > printers and saw the error "org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing not found", which I think was necessary for some automatic ipp magic in my case.
Should we not move from the yast printer setup as default to the desktop tools and make that experience as flawless as possible? Then the yast printer module does not to be installed by default and we remove one element that can complicate things?
In my experience people without much computer skills or knowledge of openSUSE look into systemsettings if they want to configure a printer. Of course, making everything work without configuration is even simpler, but I don't know if that's possible.
Kind regards,
Cor
P.S.: should org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing service file not be installed by default? Is it useful to file a bugreport for this?