On Thursday 12 of November 2015 13:53:48 Richard Brown wrote:
But that's the point.. "testing out new releases" is done by testing the Alphas, Betas, and RC's we provide of that new release
Testing the latest version of Software-Stack-A built against Leap 42.1 doesn't help anyone
It doesn't help the development of Tumbleweed - Devel repos built against Tumbleweed do that.
For broken builds. Not for functional bugs. I'm afraid you overestimate the dependency of bugs on overall distribution environment. In my experience, most bugs in latest upstream version of a package can be also reproduced on older versions of a distribution. Not all of them but definitely a majority. So running newer versions of selected packages does in fact help Tumbleweed (and future releases).
*especially* when we have Tumbleweed which offers the latest of everything, as soon as it's been tested and confirmed to be working with the latest of everything else
Tested to be working? You really believe running a few (mostly install) tests in OpenQA is "tested and confirmed to be working"? I don't.
People need to realise that Tumbleweed is always going to be more reliable than whatever Frankenstein they can produce by taking Leap 42.1 and adding whatever cocktail of Devel repos they think they need.
I strongly disagree here. I have complete Tumbleweed on one machine (two, actually, but the other one is one big problem itself) and 13.1 with newer versions of selected packages on few others. Based on my experience with the Tumbleweed one, I would never dare to run it on a system I rely on for my work or on my main machine at home. On the other hand, I have no problem running such systems on 13.1 with newer versions of selected packages.
And if/when there are still issues on Tumbleweed, it's infinately easier for us to fix them, and prevent them happening again, with the Factory development process, than it is when they're taking Leap 42.1 and adding a cocktail of Devel repos.
It's not infinitely easier, not by far. It can be easier for a minority of bugs; for most, it doesn't matter at all.
So yeah, I understand this seems like a simple request, but years of experience has taught us that the road requested leads to dragons, and should therefore best be avoided.
I may remember wrong but wasn't it you who reprimanded another list member few days ago for using "us/we" while actually presenting his personal opinion? Michal Kubeček -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org