On 19 February 2018 at 15:04, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
I don't use either, but that's perhaps not a bad point. Is the DVD format dead or dying for this kind of thing? For installation from local media, might it be an idea to up the size? I guess we wouldn't want to carry two (DVD + USB).
I have not used a DVD for installation in ages. Current laptops don't have one. New computers have Blue Ray drives instead.
Besides, there are double layer DVD, if absolutely needed.
The smaller stick I can get is 8 GB, that sounds like a reasonable limit today.
The purpose of the installation DVD is installing without needing network at install time - but if we need Internet to be able to install some of the patterns, the purpose is broken. It becomes a Net Install with bigger media.
<joke> Who are you and what did you do to Carlos? The real Carlos would never advocate for embracing current realities at the expense of old tropes You're going to have people calling you names for your mean horrible ideas about getting rid of old stuff which 'everyone' uses! ;) On behalf of the openSUSE Project I demand you release Carlos from captivity and let him post on this mailinglist again </joke> Ok, joking aside, seriously, I think you make some interesting points and I'm curious what everyone else thinks. Personally, I do not agree with your assertion that installation media as a replacement for 'not needing network at install time'. Our repos have always held many more GB of packages beyond that which we ever could fit on the DVD. You'd need over 50GB to have a portable copy of the repos to install everything without network, 8GB would be no where near enough. However, I do see how it might be a better value for a general purpose image for many people. That said, I also cannot accept your earlier statement that "Nobody uses DVD today". We have our friends at Open Source Press making and selling Leap DVD box sets. We have thousands of DVD's a year which we give away at conferences worldwide. Both of those use cases require a 4.1GB DVD image. Plus plenty of newcomers to openSUSE already see that 4.1GB as way more than they expect to download. This is a particular concern in countries without pervasive bandwidth. Sure, to some degree it's an unavoidable side effect of our distributions not being monoculture nonsense like Ubuntu, but making the disk image larger will just make things harder for those people to jump on the openSUSE train. And yet, creating a 3rd flavour of image, would need a significant amount of build time/power, and significant amount of testing required. The more I think about this, the more I think our 4.1DVD image might still be the best middle ground that we have to balance these competing concerns. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org