(Just adding my 2 cents - since I believe everything needed to be said has been said, just not by everyone. That's an very old bavarian proverb...) I guess this thread has a very high popcorn probabilty. Will our strategical supplies last? Hmmm. Which desktop is the best? Which choice should we offer? Which media are relevant? Which packages should be removed and which not? It's all in here. I love that. Herd in the popcorn! And yes, I strongly believe this is the nature of open source. And I love it. thanks to all of those here and wherever that make this possible. I feel so meta now. Good night. Honestly: I think the XFCE debate is about a subset of a subset of a subset of users. I fully understand that. I like to use XFCE myself, but I would consider installing from network absolutely no problem. How many people really do offline installs these days? How many of them do XFCE? I totally understand the decision. :-) Am Montag, 19. Februar 2018, 21:55:35 CET schrieb Carlos E. R.:
El 2018-02-19 a las 21:26 +0100, Stefan Seyfried escribió:
Am 19.02.2018 um 20:05 schrieb Richard Brown:
Unless we seriously are considering leaving vendors like Open Source Press unable to produce DVD's and giving up on the idea of giving away DVDs at conferences, then we're not talking about changing the source medium, but adding another option.
are "fluid-soundfont-gm-3.1-lp150.1.2.noarch.rpm" and "fluid-soundfont-gs-3.1-lp150.1.2.noarch.rpm" needed for a polished desktop experience?
If not, dropping them from the DVD will free 116MB on the DVD.
Wow!
I'd guess (educated... I have done some computations ;) that XFCE needs around 30MB on the DVD (if GNOME and all its supporting libraries are already included). I have no real idea about the LXDE sizes, but I think it would be easy to include both LXDE and XFCE and still stay below the size limit if we were willing to get rid of fluid-soundfont-*.
I'd certainly would vote for this idea.
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That seems counterproductive, especially when the issue at hand is a DE which no longer fits on our installation media
It would fit.
*if* we would think about dropping texlive from the DVD, we could package all the desktop environments in the world.
I agree with that. Drop some packages that are not essential for the installation, and add them after installation, or during installation if there is Internet available.
I think it is reasonable to drop some not essential but big packages to allow keeping more desktops on the (offline) DVD.
Do a poll.
Count the number of users of each Desktop. Then count the number of users of texlive. And the number of users of fluid-soundfont.
(Disclaimer: I am a texlive user. I'd still consider texlive users a minority) Now that texlive is so modular, we could also just not put everything of it onto the DVD.
Those packages can surely be downloaded from Internet by those needing them. Surely this is better than removing XFCE from the DVD.
-- Cheers Carlos E. R.
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