On Tue, 2022-12-06 at 09:31 +0100, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
Hi
Am 06.12.22 um 09:23 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar:
On Tue, 2022-12-06 at 09:15 +0100, Mathias Homann wrote:
Here is my personal situation: If openSUSE/TW enforces -v2 or higher I will have to either buy new hardware for my home server or find a new linux for my homeserver.
OR: people that care look after the Legacy X86 port.
It's all open source - you can't always expect 'somebody else' to do all the work for you. Sometimes you have to invest work too (not meaning you, Mathias, as a singular, but rather 'you, the people that care')
To me, this sounds like 'We're going to break your computer. Fix it if you care.' That's somehow not right. And I think the discussion here shows that people do care.
As much as another group of people DOES care to stay relevant in a Factory-First model for SLE/ALP. It's not news that Tumbleweed is the distro running ahead of SLE/ALP in helping ensuring to find issues before the changes reach the commercial products (with a lot of openQA in order to not abuse the TW-userbase as guinea pigs). How much worth do you see for a commercial entity to sponsor workforce on something that has little to no benefit to them in the end? If they still have to do all the work a 2nd time for the commercial products, because whatever is being tested/used outside is not representative? The ports setup is something we offered to do, people need to commit to care enough to look after it. If using the port is 'too much hassle for the users', then there is probably not much we can do (the ports build from the exact same sources, each checkin to openSUSE:Factory immediately triggers relevant rebuilds in the ports; only the release to QA and to the mirrors in case of passed QA is timely decoupled from the main branch, in exactly the same way as ARM, PowerPC, s390x, RISCV. Cheers, Dominique