On Sunday, November 01, 2015 08:12:51 AM Felix Miata wrote:
šumski composed on 2015-10-31 22:07 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata wrote:
Luca Beltrame composed on 2015-10-31 19:19 (UTC):
FYI, upstream will switch to Noto for Plasma 5.5.
Can you explain why Oxygen has been require rather than recommend, or suggest who might know?
Because it's default font. We rather not want something like that be missing.
Who is we? We the people.
Isn't requires supposed to be reserved for avoiding breakage or total failure, rather than simply providing what theme, packagers and/or upstream simply "want"? Yes and no. I'd say recommends applies for additional features, and requires for default ones. That KDE applications are working w/o Oxygen font is only an accident.
I want to *never* have to see Oxygen Sans or Oxygen Mono on any of my own installations, which as things stand, conflicts with my interest in running Plasma5. Needing to rpm -e --nodeps after every upgrade gets old, but establishes that the Oxygen dependency is a non-essential edict.
Is Noto going to become a require? Will Oxygen stay a require?
Yes. Yes. Oxygen mono is still default monospace font (AFAICS)
I thought the same people begging for Noto for proportional were also calmoring for Source Code Pro for monospace (not that it matters here, as fc-match on generics here always produces a Droid)??? Not those people.
If "we want" is the only reason for installing any font, it should be a suggests or recommends. Otherwise it's bloatware, which should be avoidable by those who want lean installations. Requiring both Noto and Oxygen means double bloat, unless most other DE's "want" them as well, or DejaVu, intlfonts, efont-unicode-bitmap-fonts and/or others that have been being installed by default for many years stop being part of base X and most DE patterns. Let's agree to disagree.
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