Michal Kubecek wrote:
On Friday 23 of October 2015 17:22:40 Per Jessen wrote:
I am not trying to argue that YaST is needed everywhere, I just believe it is part of the minimum toolset for a server, serious or otherwise.
I disagree. On most of my servers, I never ran YaST since the installer finished and there is a good chance I never will.
On the other hand, I can't imagine running a server without tcpdump, netcat or screen. Someone else might feel the same about e.g. kdump. But we have enough sense not to insist those must be part of a minimal server pattern just because we want them on all _our_ servers.
Yet we insist that everyone needs e.g. strace, bc, btrfsutils, shim, wireless stuff and what have you (see my list in my previous posting). For my use, I always have to install tcpdump, postfix, syslog-ng, ipmitool and net-snmp everywhere, but I also realise that many people don't need those. Granted, it's not easy to agree on "what every user of the minimum server pattern" needs, but to focus on "serious server setups" as Dominique suggested earlier would definitely mean including tcpdump, rsyslog/syslog-ng, ipmitool and net-snmp. I have yet to come across a "serious" server without a BMC, as well a "serious" server-shop without SNMP monitoring and audit requirements for logfiles. If you can't read between the lines above, I am arguing that the openSUSE "minimal server pattern" is not at all meant for "serious server setups". IMO, it's meant for hobbyists and professionals alike and should cater to both. Also profesionals who like to use YaST for the odd job now and then :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org