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Claudio Freire wrote:
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Me, seeing the wording "minimal server" would expect it to have more things. Certainly YaST, in text mode at least. Dunno, maybe it is easier to run a command to add yast than it is to remove it :-? Yes, it is easily added or installed later, but many things are. What I dislike is such a significant change without discussion before or after - until now.
It looks like someone just went in and did the changes willy-nilly, without considering the wider impact. This person saw fit to remove YaST, but forgot to remove <list of surplus packages> that I posted earlier. Lazy, mind boggling and irresponsible.
I decided to get off my lazy ass, and check:
Thanks.
------------------------------------------------------------------- Thu Jun 11 14:01:32 UTC 2015 - lnussel@suse.de
- tweak minimal pattern to make it smaller again: * omit kernel. In theory YaST will add it for real installations. * don't install yast anymore. Should work in theory * remove adjtimex, hopefully not used anymore
I seem to recall seeing that being installed, only just this afternoon. Yep, sure enough: adjtimex-1.29-7.1.x86_64
* remove eject, ntfs-3g and ntp, sysfsutils not really needed
Well, ntp was clearly kept after all. With a default config that most serious server setups would want to change anyway.
* remove release-notes-openSUSE, pulls in perl * remove vim, needs full perl :-(
vim is still being installed.
There's a pattern for yast too, so those wanting yast could simply pick both (minimal+yast)
I did add yast and yast-network to my install earlier today. Did the trick. I think it was a total of 82Mb.
I don't really like removing SuSEfirewall2. The rationale, avoiding perl, seems to be the motive. Most of that is to avoid pulling in perl. But a firewall is quite an important part of any installation really, I would consider an installation, even if minimal, without a firewall, quite irresponsible.
Exactly!
But selecting it back is easy, and it is indeed the minimal pattern, which strives to be minimal. Pulling in full perl would indeed hurt that objective.
It's not the "minimal pattern", it's the "minimal server pattern". A very important distinction, IMHO.
So lets just add this as a warning on the release notes?
How about: "If you want YaST or a default firewall, you have to add them yourselves". TBH, that would be the worst thing to do, but I'm slowly getting past caring. /Per -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org