2010/12/4 Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@suse.com>:
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On 12/04/2010 08:28 AM, Olaf Hering wrote:
On Fri, Nov 19, Martin Schlander wrote:
Fredag den 19. november 2010 20:54:11 skrev Jeff Mahoney:
The expressions on their faces when they see how many ridiculous hoops I need to jump through to configure the Packman repository and then replace the codecs changes to exasperation
You mean go to a website like opensuse-community.org or opensuse-guide.org, click on a codec 1-click, then click next a couple of times, accept vendor change. Done. Or copy/paste a couple of zypper commands.
Too complicated, or too geeky. What are all those conflicts (technical I understand them)?
After inserting a Video DVD, KDE does not offer to play the DVD. After installing the 'Codecs pack for KDE' thing: KDE still does not start a player to play the DVD?!
Smooth integration looks different.
For comparison have these people ever tried finding a codecpack for MS Windows without malware, to play anything other than wma/wmv/mp3/avi? (does Windows support anything else out of the box?) ;-)
Compare openSuSE with usable things: Inserting an audio CD opens the player. Inserting a Video DVD opens the player. In Mac OS. That matters.
Exactly. The UI experience described above is easy for the technically inclined but we need to move beyond that. There's all this discussion about how to make openSUSE more popular. The general answer is to attract more developers to then attract more users, which attracts more developers. It's a feedback loop that grows the user ecosystem gradually (perhaps eventually exponentially) instead of explosively, but there are very few examples of the latter ever actually happening in the world of operating systems.
This feedback loop seems to have been short circuited at the goal of attracting developers, but without non-developer users to give feedback on the UI we end up with "good enough." Case in point: I attended this year's Linux Plumbers Conference and there was a UI designer from the Fedora project there who was tasked with unifying the interface to storage. She initially had some experience with the basic forms of storage, like internal disks and USB-attached disks, but it gets complex really quickly once you start getting into the SAN arena. Things like WWIDs aren't really user-friendly, especially for the end-user. She gave a great talk because it was a new perspective on a problem that we'd largely ignored because we're designing and testing with technical people.
That's for storage. For this problem, the solution is much simpler.
I just want to be able to install openSUSE on my mom's PC and not expect a phone call every 15 minutes with a new question on how to use it. The idea of explaining how to install MP3 codecs over the phone isn't appealing to me.
Someone can tell me wat's hapenned with Audacity (Packman version), because it can no more import wma files?? At the begining of the Opensuse 11.3, the Audacity version from the Packman worked ok to import wma files, with the ffmpeg library, but with the updates, the last 2 months, Audacity can not import wma files. All the libraries and Audacity are update. Thanks, Juan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org