On Tuesday 02 of February 2016 09:25:55 Martin Pluskal wrote:
This is matter of perspective, if you are contributing to multiple packages, reviewing more requests, "uniformity" of packages makes both a bit more easy. To be honest I do not consider packaging to be place where creativity/ uniqueness in packaging style is actually desirable.
OK, let's repeat the important point: the order was not a result of my creativity or uniqueness. The tag order was result of
osc service localrun format_spec_file
i.e. exactly the command I was told to run by the message of first declined request. (Actually, neither was the original tag order, that came from our vim template.) No creativity, no trying to be unique, exactly the opposite. And seeing that at any time I'm supposed to expect a request with some small change hidden behind a massive reshuffle, that is really annoying.
Furthermore, there has been ongoing debate in matter of rights/duties of package maintainers - it seems that some package maintainers consider themselves to be owners of said packages, while in my opinion maintainer is more like a custodian/curator of package - so all matters of personal taste are secondary to actuall functional improvements.
I do _not_ oppose "actual functional improvements". What I oppose is deliberately overriding package maintainer's personal tastes and imposing personal tastes of someone who is not actively maintaining the package (and not going to). I would even go as far as calling that disrespectful and rude.
Unless I have reason to believe the package is not actively maintained, I try to respect maintainer's preferences and keep the "minimum impact" approach. I wouldn't dare to do a complete specfile rework just to make it more likeable for me.
Another popular phrase around here is "doocracy: those who do, decide". Ask yourself: who (apart from upstream authors) did most work on packaging the software and making it build and work? Who did test it? Who is going to get bugs assigned? Who is supposed to fix build broken by a Factory update? Who is supposed to do version updates and make sure they build and work? Is it you? If not, please do not force your personal preferences on that package and respect the right to decide of those "who do". Where did I force something to your package - please elaborate.
Indeed I fail to see connection between openSUSE factory/tubmleweed submision rules, packaging guidelines and amount of packages in factory.
Well, that's a pity. This means all the time I spent on polishing my yesterday's mail went in vain, at least as long as you are concerned. And it shows that the problem that discourages (not only) me from submitting packages to Factory, does exist, even if, thankfully, not all project maintainers feel the same way as you. I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say here - in projects where I am maintainer, I allways tried to get as many packages as possible to Factory/Tumbleweed, in cases where someone from project where I am maintaner
On úterý 2. února 2016 10:28:03 CET Michal Kubecek wrote: tried to submit something to factory, I tried to help him (and although it might surprise you, did not force my personal tastes on them), in case when discussion in sr was not enough I tried to get in contact with this maintainer - did I not do enough? I am still not sure how my personal opinions/tastes in regard of packaging, or my feeling are either symptom or cause of lack of packages in Factory. Anyway, if it either makes you feel better or will improve amount of packages in Factory, feel free to blame either me or my stupidity. Cheers Martin