I wish people would at least READ what was posted on the mailing list at the time of the move. Why did the KDE team wait 3 full releases of Plasma 5 before even considering it to be a replacement (and yes, we ran it on our desktops to see, and we broke our own stuff occasionally).
I tried to stay on kde 4, but my applications started switching to kde 5 frameworks one by one and some would no longer inter-operate. Thus one was forced to switch or jump back to 13.2. Many of the same bugs that plagued early 4.x are back in 5.x. These are not differences in feature set as someone tried to argue...these are bugs and there are many reports to kde. Basic stuff like remembering open applications (works on less than half of applications and some are random which boot they will work on). Window size or position is hit or miss on boot and which applications. Those just kill a lot of the polish. Login takes 20 - 60 seconds on various machines with multiple monitors (< 2 sec on 4.x). Other things like items that haven't been ported I can understand. etc etc. I get lack of feature complete, but this stuff is just...meh. Add to that the delay in rolling out qt5.5 which fixes some of these things. We can talk all day, but I don't get the attitude by many that just wants to throw all this under the rug. Especially to suggest one needs to read the mailing list (which I do now) just to use a distro. Are you kidding me? I don't read mailing list for every application I use just to be safe on latest releases. That the whole point of releases instead of running latest commit. -- Jimmy On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa <ancor@suse.de> wrote:
On 08/06/2015 03:05 PM, Richard Brown wrote:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/critical-intel-graphics-driver-bug-puts-kde-p...
And there are also problems with nouveau https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1238988
This might explain some peoples perceptions of stability problems with Plasma 5 lately
Just sum up users using intel and nouveau drivers, that's probably most people using Plasma 5 in TW (or at least half of them). And then add the recent Nfs breakage, the GCC5gate, etc.
For me, all that is expected in Tumbleweed. There is a reasonable explanation for each problem. But we cannot say that the instability feeling is just made up by some people out of nothing.
That's why, in my opinion, we are going a little bit too far in advertising Tumbleweed as "fully tested", making it sound like something ready for the average Joe for use in production systems.
If you are using TW, you will get the latest and brightest but you are expected to find some troubles and you are expected to collaborate in tracking them down (with bug reports, at least). Which is a fair trade, as long as expectations are clear for everybody. Reusing the Tumbleweed name probably didn't help in setting those expectations correctly, either.
And also why I (as a GNOME user) have not experienced any problems..
Yes. For many KDE users, TW has not being a nice place to be for the last month or so. Not a fault of the KDE team (they cannot do anything to prevent conflicts with drivers coming from upstream), but still a reality.
Cheers
On 6 August 2015 at 14:58, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote: On 2015-08-06 07:37, Luca Beltrame wrote:
I wish people would at least READ what was posted on the mailing list at the time of the move.
There are many tumbleweed users that do not read mail lists. A fair number reads the forum instead.
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