On 2018-02-26, Liam Proven <lproven@suse.com> wrote:
(Coming back to the whole "openSUSE" versus "SUSE" thing -- KIWI is an openSUSE project. While the main maintainer might be a SUSE employee -- there is nothing "corporate" about its development or wide-spread usage. After all, the entire openSUSE distribution depends on it to create the installation media.)
And here we are again!
The extreme sensitivity to the SUSE-versus-openSUSE distinction... but so far, on the list, I have not had much in the way of constructive commentary on actually *explaining* this to people.
People clearly care about the distinction very much indeed, but not enough to _tell anyone about it_.
Several people have tried to explain it, but you've rejected every explanation offered with "it's not simple enough". I really don't know *how* you want this to be explained. The reason why people are sensitive about it is that this is a community that has gone through quite a few painful transitions related to its relationship with Novell. Talking about openSUSE as a "SUSE product" is reminiscent of how Novell viewed openSUSE, so opening this can of worms in the middle of a heated thread is part of the reason why people were so unhappy with this discussion.
Look at this webpage:
It's a nice, smart-looking page. It's got the SUSE logo on it. It has the same corporate design as the rest of the SUSE site.
It doesn't have the SUSE logo (I don't want to get too deep into the details here, but the logo is actually different in a few ways) and personally the website doesn't look the same as <https://www.suse.com/> either. But this argument also seems quite odd to me -- every Tom, Dick, and Harry uses Bootstrap for their websites but you don't instantly assume that every startup is a Twitter product.
How is a visitor to know this is _not_ another product of SUSE?
There is nothing at all there that says that the product the page is about is _not_ made, distributed and supported by SUSE, just free of charge.
The list of products sold by SUSE is available here at <https://www.suse.com/products/>. By definition, anything *not* listed here is not a SUSE product. The assumption that everything is a SUSE product until proven otherwise is unintuitive (to me at least). An example of a SUSE tool or product would be SUSE Studio, while KIWI (which is a large component of how SUSE Studio works) is the openSUSE project that the tool is based on. -- Aleksa Sarai Senior Software Engineer (Containers) SUSE Linux GmbH <https://www.cyphar.com/>